Submission responses

[Damon]

Geez.

I've always hated the Greens, for being as much if not more about socialism as they are for "the environment".

And now I see an example where it's in my favour.

Jebus help me if I have to start voting Green...

hahaha ditto, also Janette lived across the river from a highschool friend of mine and she likes to skinny dip with her husband in the summer, if she makes it into power i don't think I could handle all the flash backs

[sunhuntin]

VOTE GREEN!!

mate, i always have, even in the mayoral elections if theres are green mp running, they get my vote.

[Mully]

Anyone notice a common trend in these emails? NO?

I will point it out...


THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!


What the fuck. Oh wow.. Everyone got a response from the greenies.. But its all the same.. Whats up with that!?

Yeah, I'd noticed that. It's better lip service than anyone else is paying though. Maybe if we encourage the Greens (on this issue) they'll play the game for us.

[buellbabe]

Go the Greens! Got my vote.
What an excellent reply, obviously some thought went into it rather than just the routine "thankyou bla bla I will pass it on" (translation:couldn't give a shit).

[Reckless]

Anyone notice a common trend in these emails? NO?

I will point it out...


THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!


What the fuck. Oh wow.. Everyone got a response from the greenies.. But its all the same.. Whats up with that!?

They'll always be the same reply. Their political position doesn't change, and they are not going to write 5,000 emails saying the same thing in a different way?
All we need to know is they are against it and a reason or two why.

[Blue TLS]

Anyone notice a common trend in these emails? NO?

I will point it out...


THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!


What the fuck. Oh wow.. Everyone got a response from the greenies.. But its all the same.. Whats up with that!?

Maybe all the emails they got from us were all the same so they saved time by sending that to everyone, its what I would've done

[DMCD]

Nice going, looks like someone has been busy.

[sunhuntin]

the first response was pretty good as well... least she gave me another address to message. the others were very poorly veiled "this is going in the spam box" lol.
i did a BCC to make it look like i was only emailing the one address. lol.

[sunhuntin]

few more replies! any changes like bolded text was done by me.

Dear Ms Masters

Thank you for your email, it has been placed before Hon David Parker for his information and consideration.

Kind regards

Zoe Vakidis for Hon David Parker

Zoe Vakidis
Executive Assistant to
Hon David Parker MP
3.057 Parliament House
Private Bag 18-888
Parliamentary Buildings, Wellington 6044, New Zealand
T +64 4 817 8280
F +64 4 439 6482
E Zoe.Vakidis@parliament.govt.nz
W www.labour.org.nz/parliament

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Dear Charlotte

Thank you for sending me a copy of your submission, please make sure you submit it to ACC - the link is below.

As a rider of small electric scooter( trying to keep my carbon footprint down!) I share your concerns. But we all need to consider the real problem that we have found ourselves in with ACC when in 2008/09, ACC paid more than $62 million to motorcycle riders but collected only $12.3 million in levies.

The National-led Government is determined to preserve and protect our 24/7, no-fault accident insurance scheme and we all agree with that. .

ACC is facing some real challenges. Its liabilities have ballooned to almost $24 billion – $13 billion more than its assets. This is unsustainable and unaffordable especially, as I have already noted, when in 2008/09, ACC paid more than $62 million to motorcycle riders but collected only $12.3 million in levies.

The incidence, severity and cost of motorcycle crash injuries are not reflected in current levies. The costs of injuries in motorcycle crashes are significantly higher than injuries in other motor vehicle crashes - and that is still true even if the accidents involving other vehicles are taken out of the equation.

To help make up this difference the ACC Board has proposed a reclassification and an increase to the motorcycle levies. Even with the proposed increase in levies other motor vehicle owners will continue to pay $77 each to cross-subsidise motorcyclists.

We want to have an open and honest conversation with the public as to how they want us to fund the shortfall. If the shortfall is not funded through an increase to motorcycle levies, it will have to be funded from somewhere else.

You may not be aware that these are only proposed increases and they are currently open to public consultation. You are lobbying me- good on you! I also encourage motorcyclists and other motorists to have their say on this issue by making submissions to ACC by 5PM, 10 November.

You can click here to have your say www.acc.co.nz/consultation

Following public consultation, the Government will receive advice from the ACC Board and make a final decision.

Best regards

Nicky Wagner

Nicky Wagner MP National Party MP
DDI +64 4 817 6633 | Fax +64 4 473 0469
189 Montreal St Chch 8013 | Ph 03 365 8297
or FREEPOST: Parliament Buildings, Wellington 6160, New Zealand

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[nosebleed]

Well done Hopeful Biker, i'll bet you're unstoppable at "spot the difference".
Trouble is, while you were looking for the extra button on the shirt you missed the point...

This letter essentially became the Party Line. It's not just the thoughts of ONE MP who's gonna reply with what you want to hear, this response is what the whole party believes.

Like the Greens or not, their response shows that the Party is as opposed to this as we are.

[Bald Eagle]

the first response was pretty good as well... least she gave me another address to message. the others were very poorly veiled "this is going in the spam box" lol.
i did a BCC to make it look like i was only emailing the one address. lol.

I got pretty much the same responses from emailing the whole list. My response from the greens was pretty much the same
Dear Paul

I have been asked to respond on behalf of all nine Green Party MPs Metiria Turei, Russel Norman, Jeanette Fitzsimons, Sue Bradford, Sue Kedgley, Keith Locke, Kevin Hague, Catherine Delahunty and Kennedy Graham, to your email below.
...etc

So the Greens win the 'smarter email handling' prize today.

[Ixion]

Looks like the Greens have to be promoted to Official Good Bastards.

Means I gotta rebuild my whole stereotype server!. Oh well, c'est bien

Wonder what difference even half of 100000 votes would make come next election?

[MSTRS:Me]

I have taken the step of copy/paste Sun's response letter and sending a response of my own...

Dear Nicky

Your letter in response to motorcyclist's concerns as forwarded to you by a friend of mine is laughable. It does no more than toe the party line and parrot stats from ACC that are proveably wrong.

The figure of $62M is misleading, as it includes all costs going back to the oldest claim still incurring costs, and those claims from previous years have already been covered by levies from those years. New claims are less than 1400 (depending on whose stats are used) and cost about $26M. Incidently, there were some 1150 vehicle/cycle injuries in 2008 costing $12.5M without levy input from the cyclists. And vehicle/pedestrian injuries cost about $24.5M without levy input from the pedestrians.

The figure of $12.3M collected in levies is a moot point. M/c and moped registrations suggest that in fact near $19M was collected. We acknowledge that many registrations are for part-year only, so the figure collected is hard to prove, one way or the other.

ACC's liabilities are $24B ?? So?? Target where that is coming from. It is not Motorcyclists driving that figure.

M/c injury costs are higher than for cars etc? The average car accident/injury is $24,450.00. The average m/c accident injury is $19,700.00.

MOT's 2009 report on vehicle accidents for motorcycles shows they are trending downwards, relative to the numbers of reqistered m/c's
Although the stat's give each year from '51-'08, here are some examples:
In Section 4, pages 68 & 69: 'Motorcycle Casualties And Crashes year ending 31st December 2008'

1951 with 24,779 bikes on the road, 1125 crashes, 1117 injured, 47 killed (inc pillions)
1961 " 41,689 " , 1742 crashes, 1629 injured, 43 killed " "
1971 " 56,441 " , 2668 crashes, 2911 injured, 52 killed " "
1981 " 132,730 " , 3273 crashes, 3376 injured, 116 killed (the heyday period of pillions)
1991 " 72,676 " , 1963 crashes, 2061 injured, 78 killed (inc pillions)
2001 " 57,836 " , 658 crashes, 669 injured, 35 killed " "
2008 " 96,952 " , 1378 crashes, 1396 injured, 50 killed " "


Other motorists are subsidising m/c's to the tune of $77 ea? Where does that come from? Best calculations given the info available show that figure to be $16.60. And with over 400,000 m/c licences held, but with around 75,000 registered m/cs (mopeds can be used with a car licence) and the majority of m/c owners also having cars, how many of 'us' are subsidising ourselves?

So far, there has been nothing 'open and honest' about any utterances from ACC or the govt over this issue.

With regards to the 3 step approach to m/c levies, based on cc rating, where is the evidence that bigger bikes cost more? MOT's own accident stats record the following...43% of police reports didn't give cc rating, the other 57% did and were dominated by the 250cc bikes - THUS INCONCLUSIVE

I could go on, but I'm sure you get the picture. I have made my own submission to ACC.

Regards

[Damon]

As a rider of small electric scooter( trying to keep my carbon footprint down!) I share your concerns. But we all need to consider the real problem that we have found ourselves in with ACC when in 2008/09, ACC paid more than $62 million to motorcycle riders but collected only $12.3 million in levies.

For someone who "shares" our concerns she hasn't done much investigating of her own and continues to tow the party line with her imaginary figures

[short-circuit]

Geez.

I've always hated the Greens, for being as much if not more about socialism as they are for "the environment".

And now I see an example where it's in my favour.

Unless you earn over $200,000 a year, socialist policy will for the most part almost almost work more in your favour.