BIKEOI Wellington

**StoneY** · 23rd October 2009, 09:24

Originally Posted by igormortis

I think this argument should be avoided. It doesn't relate at all to the issue at hand, and in a lot of cases is simply untrue. Also note that unless you're a tree you can't be contributing positively as far as a carbon footprint is concerned.

Its a supporting factor Igor, not the 'focus'

We add it as an afterthought, like;
' .............so thats our case vs the Levy's. Oh, and BTW, Motorcycles have a very low carbon footprint, why would you want less of us on the road?...."

**wingrider** · 23rd October 2009, 09:25

To Stoney,

Have you seen the contridiction on Stuffs Political page?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ikoi-on-a-roll

'Wellington police and council officials are bracing for the arrival of a national motorcycle protest, in response to ACC Minister Nick Smith's refusal to speak to bikers.

Up to 3000 motorcyclists are expected to roll into the capital on November 17 for a "bikoi", over proposed rises in ACC levies.

The protest's Wellington co-ordinator, Brent Hutchison, said the levy rise – up to $500 per bike – was a "manifest injustice". Bikers were easy targets because they had a false reputation. "We pay ACC levies through the nose. It's time for them to back off and realise we are contributing, law-abiding, tax-paying members of society."

A spokesman for Dr Smith said he was aware of motorcyclists' concerns. He planned to meet a delegation in Nelson this weekend as well as next month's protesters.

Whats the true statement?

**James Deuce** · 23rd October 2009, 09:26

Originally Posted by Laxi

serrious point! maybe not BBQs but if you need somone to take stuff in that cant fit on bikes, I can organise my wife to take the cage in, trailer too if needed

**StoneY** · 23rd October 2009, 09:35

Im not happy with Dom Post mate they only put in one of the 3 points I made

And I never said Smith 'refused to speak with us' I have no idea where he got that lead from... bloody reporters

He also renegged on the photo of me Hawkeye and Bald eagle (showing 3 genetrations of riders and thier machines)

There isnt too much harm done though

Ullyses have a meeting with him on the weekend, as long as on the day TV coverage is impartial I will be happy

As you have shown with the bolded limes, he contradicted himself, but thats far from what I said TO him as usual

He did quote me exactly on the manifest injustice and paying through the nose so cant scream FOUL too loudly,

I think the main point got accross...we are on the way in our THOUSANDS!

**StoneY** · 23rd October 2009, 09:36

Originally Posted by James Deuce

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LOVE it, +10

**wingrider** · 23rd October 2009, 09:52

A Thought.
(one of those very rear moments)

Although short notice, if we can invite those persons who have not ridden in a mass group before to come to the events organized on the 31st. and have others brief them well on the expectations and safety points.
Could be a good PR tool if media were present to show that we take this seriously enough to ensure that we educate our people.
JMHO

**Leviticus** · 23rd October 2009, 09:56

Originally Posted by wingrider

A Thought.
(one of those very rear moments)

Although short notice, if we can invite those persons who have not ridden in a mass group before to come to the events organized on the 31st. and have others brief them well on the expectations and safety points.

JMHO

A good idea. I am all for this and will strongly advise anyone who hasn't ridden like this before to go along

**StoneY** · 23rd October 2009, 10:00

Yep

Slightly different from the regular group riders who KNOW the etiquette
We need to hammer it home to non experienced group riders

We need a 'cut down' version of basic Group Ride Guide to fit on an A5 handout

And on the daty (17th) we need a few people to gather the PUG's (gamer term for Public Unknown Group) and give them a solid briefing

Buck Buck springs to mind for some reason....

**Azi Dahaka** · 23rd October 2009, 10:23

Originally Posted by James Deuce

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See motorbikes are used for more than just joy riding this is what we should be conveying to ACC does this look like leisure to them or transportation of small goods?

**Anomaly** · 23rd October 2009, 10:33

what you doing stoney is great...keep up the awesome work

**Waxxa** · 23rd October 2009, 10:56

Originally Posted by wingrider

A Thought.
(one of those very rear moments)

Although short notice, if we can invite those persons who have not ridden in a mass group before to come to the events organized on the 31st. and have others brief them well on the expectations and safety points.
Could be a good PR tool if media were present to show that we take this seriously enough to ensure that we educate our people.
JMHO

Good point Wingrider. I personally do not enjoy riding in rallies as there are a lot of riders who are inexperienced in riding in such large groups or are unaware of ettiquette in riding in a large group.

And since there will be thousands of bikes in Wellington the last thing we need the media to pick us up on are how many accidents/injuries occured whilst the protest took place.

**klingon** · 23rd October 2009, 11:22

Originally Posted by Waxxa

Good point Wingrider. I personally do not enjoy riding in rallies as there are a lot of riders who are inexperienced in riding in such large groups or are unaware of ettiquette in riding in a large group.

And since there will be thousands of bikes in Wellington the last thing we need the media to pick us up on are how many accidents/injuries occured whilst the protest took place.

We should convince Star insurance to provide special personal injury insurance for the ride. That way if there are any 'incidents' we never have to report them to ACC!