Data from ACC

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I'd expect them to try to bombard you with massive amounts of unorganized crap so that you'll just 'go away'.

Out of interest I'd like to see what the NZ Government has paid the Aussie company to compile their figures .........

I done a spread sheet just based on the numbers we have and welll interesting

[sleemanj]

Can I suggest that if not done already BRONZ make a written OIA request to ACC (specifically stating that the request is an OIA one), specifying exactly what data they want.

As with all things beaurocratic in my experience, get stuff in writing and be specific.

The OIA is there for a reason, make sure ACC knows it's getting employed here.

[Ixion]

I'd expect them to try to bombard you with massive amounts of unorganized crap so that you'll just 'go away'.

Out of interest I'd like to see what the NZ Government has paid the Aussie company to compile their figures .........

Organising unorganised crap into meaningful and logical relationships is what I do. I'll be happy with unorganised crap.

Yeah, aware of the OIA. Holding back on it, because (a) you need to specify what you want, and I'm hoping for more than I want; and (b) they have 20 working days to stuff around, which takes us beyond our immediate horizon.

So if I can get it on the Friendly Road , I'll try that first

[Ixion]

Sigh

Git a reply

Hi Les - sorry, thought this was the sort of thing you were after. I'll pass your request on - probably won't be able to get anything for you until after long weekend.

Regards

David

yeah. Right. Like, a pdf report is SO much like raw data.

[GOONR]

Sounds like they are A: stupid, B: wasting time, C: going over their own figures again to see if they do add up.

[Ixion]

Or D) Send him this and see if it shuts him up. Maybe he doesn't really know what he wants and is just making noises.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Sigh

Git a reply

yeah. Right. Like, a pdf report is SO much like raw data.

Oh fuck that is the rawest kind of data


Actualy thats exactly the run around i thought you will while the try and cover anything (not that I am say that they are)

If anything they will be covering that not all the road and dirt bike accidents are truly seperated... 1336 for this years road accidednts that claimed ACC seem actually fairly high to me for some odd reason

[McJim]

Isn't the general public savvy enough in this day an age that we can gain popular support with the comment "we asked for raw data in order that we could perform meaningful statistical analysis of it to support ACC claims but all we got was this lousy .pdf"?

[Cloggy]

May just be possible ACC staff are reading these forums and have now realised Ixion is a DBA and may now have got them (ACC) worried?

Bloody good job on CloseUp Ixion. Got to work this morning and people at work (non-bikers) were talking and laughing about how much of drip the ACC guy was. Unprepared and fumbeling for answers.

[GOONR]

Isn't the general public savvy enough in this day an age that we can gain popular support with the comment "we asked for raw data in order that we could perform meaningful statistical analysis of it to support ACC claims but all we got was this lousy .pdf"?

And it's not like ACC can deny the data was asked for, how many people would have watched that on the old tellybox thingo.

[Ixion]

Isn't the general public savvy enough in this day an age that we can gain popular support with the comment "we asked for raw data in order that we could perform meaningful statistical analysis of it to support ACC claims but all we got was this lousy .pdf"?

Oh yes indeed. In fact it might be even better for us if they DON'T come through

"ACC undertook on nationwide television to provide data to back up their extravagant claims of how much motorcycles cost them. They have now admitted that they cannot fulfill this commitment. Clearly , the preposterous figure sthey have been quoted have no substance and cannot be proven"


And that's the end of ACC credibility. Which leaves the politicians right out on a limb.

[Mikkel]

Do we actually have any insight as to how ACC gathers and processes the raw data which has been used to support the proposed increases?

It is not exactly unthinkable that there is no such thing as "the raw data" to be handed on. I'm not trying to suggest that it would be ok if that was the case - merely saying that the incompetence may be reaching deeper than we could possibly imagine.

Also, even if that is somewhere within ACC - it is not unlikely that none of the hotshots would actually know where it is and what it contains. After all, they have a multitude of "peons" - including PWC in Sydney it would appear - to do all of this work for them. ACC is a large organisation and as such is bound to be wrapped in a very heavy layer of bureaucratic armour.


However, as Les pointed out on Close-up the numbers do not appear to add up. Unless they can address this issue in a credible manner their position is not exactly strong.

[Ixion]

It is not exactly unthinkable that there is no such thing as "the raw data" to be handed on. ..

Would not in the least surprise me. If so, so much the better.

They undertook, before the eyes of the world, to provide the data to back up their claims.

If they can't or won't, their credibility will be totally destroyed.

[Mikkel]

Would not in the least surprise me. If so, so much the better.

They undertook, before the eyes of the world, to provide the data to back up their claims.

If they can't or won't, their credibility will be totally destroyed.

Indeed, provided we can get someone - preferably yourself - back on the air during prime time to get this fact out and around to the masses.

[Pedrostt500]

Slightly off topic, how is BRONZ funded, do they have the funding to meet the costs of this battle.
IF not, is it time to pass the hat around for donations for BRONZ.