Trademe Poll

[Bald Eagle]

This is gaining wider attention than just bikers.

Check out the Poll on Trademe about how ACC should levy vehicles.

[slofox]

This is gaining wider attention than just bikers.

Check out the Poll on Trademe about how ACC should levy vehicles.

Mmmm - I see most people agree with me on this one...

[ukusa]

prefer petrol levy myself, that way those who use the road most pay the most. It's not always accurate (because of differing fuel efficiency), but I could see odometer tampering as being an issue if it were based off milage. Only downside is the petrol for other use (eg lawnmowing etc), who would end up paying the ACC levy as well.

[Jantar]

.... Only downside is the petrol for other use (eg lawnmowing etc), who would end up paying the ACC levy as well.

I don't see any issue here. People do get injured mowing lawns from stones being thrown up to losing fingers from trying to clear clogged grass with the mower running. Any activity that uses petrol has an element of risk that can result in injury, so ACC on fuel makes a lot of sense.

[steve_t]

But what about when electric vehicles start becoming more mainstream? A levy via fuel may not be forward-thinking enough

[JimO]

But what about when electric vehicles start becoming more mainstream? A levy via fuel may not be forward-thinking enough

easy.... they will put a acc levy on electricity after all people burn themselves on the jug

[Ender EnZed]

I am a little concerned about this "Levy according to driver history". Some people like to crash a lot without getting hurt and costing ACC.

[Pedrostt500]

I am a little concerned about this "Levy according to driver history". Some people like to crash a lot without getting hurt and costing ACC.

And some seem to crash alot maybe not hurting them selves, but hurting others, some repeatedly get Pissed and Drive / ride, & end up hurting others.

[MadDuck]

Any activity that uses petrol has an element of risk that can result in injury, so ACC on fuel makes a lot of sense.

At first it does yes. I am on the fence on this one. ACC on fuel means increased freight costs....means well increased prices on just about everything.

[BMWST?]

i dont agree with petrol levy...i have an old bike and and old car,neither that fuel efficient,why should i pay a premium...

[mossy1200]

prefer petrol levy myself, that way those who use the road most pay the most. It's not always accurate (because of differing fuel efficiency), but I could see odometer tampering as being an issue if it were based off milage. Only downside is the petrol for other use (eg lawnmowing etc), who would end up paying the ACC levy as well.

And if its got a motor then the average kiwi could hurt himself with it.Means at least mx bikes,go carts,boats are all paying a share also.

[mossy1200]

i dont agree with petrol levy...i have an old bike and and old car,neither that fuel efficient,why should i pay a premium...

Your older vehicles would not be as safe as newer ones assuming the comparision is made at road legal speeds and not the vehicles potential fast factor.

[McJim]

I don't see any issue here. People do get injured mowing lawns from stones being thrown up to losing fingers from trying to clear clogged grass with the mower running. Any activity that uses petrol has an element of risk that can result in injury, so ACC on fuel makes a lot of sense.

I disagree. sometimes I can throw a molotov cocktail without harming myself at all.

[StoneY]

And if its got a motor then the average kiwi could hurt himself with it.Means at least mx bikes,go carts,boats are all paying a share also.

Thats the big sell on the petrol levy side of it, but as mr BMWST points out, older vehicle fuel consumption issues does not necessarily equal dangerous speed ranges or gross technological redundancy
My Ducati has emition control exhausts that meet Euro standards...the GixxeR...shes killing us (and my bank balance, thirsty bitch)

[mossy1200]

And some seem to crash alot maybe not hurting them selves, but hurting others, some repeatedly get Pissed and Drive / ride, & end up hurting others.

Agree .It goes away from no fault system and become insurance policy.Someone runs you off the road and doesnt get caught doing it this would leave you out of pocket .Accidents happen at any time to anyone and does that mean they should be pocket punished.

Perhaps we should start riding safe.Watched a bike pass cars in traffic(peak hour) in the middle of mount vic tunel double yellows when the other trafic was doing 50 already.Just got back into lane with cms to spare before ending up having an oncoming.Its getting to a stage that we should be judging each others actions.A small percentage let the majority down and cage drivers remember the worst riders not the best riders.Tell your mates to tone down or ride the race tracks.We could do with public support when everyone is looking our direction already.