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    Reply from ACC

    had a reply to an email I sent quoting an outside stats expert.
    Their own comments vary - now it's 16 times more likely!

    See here -great on them replying though unless they have to

    Dear Mr Hill



    2010/11 ACC Levy Consultation



    Thank you for your email in which you ask ACC to verify the accident statistics included in the organisation’s levy consultation media releases. You also refer to an article written by Associate Professor Charles Lamb from Lincoln University in which he states that “ACC and the Minister for ACC were basing the proposed increases on poor facts”. We provide the following response to points raised in this article and in your email.



    · ACC is a no-fault scheme and this means that if you have an accident you will be covered by ACC regardless of whose fault it is. It does not mean that your potential for having an accident is not taken into account when levies are calculated. Motorcyclists are 16 times more likely to be involved in a road crash than any other road user, and they are far more likely to be seriously injured. That’s why their levies need to be higher. It’s like the work levy, e.g. a deep sea fisherman pays more than an office worker. This is the only fair way to spread the cost of ACC.



    · Motor vehicle levies fund ACC cover for most injuries involving moving vehicle on public roads in New Zealand. Off-road accidents do not occur on public roads, therefore are not covered by the Motor Vehicle Account and are not included in the levy assessment for motorcycles. For example if you are a farmer and you have an accident on your farm bike you are covered by the work account; if you are a trail-bike rider and you have an accident you are covered by the non-work account. We know if accidents are on or off-road from the ACC claim form which asks very specific questions.



    · The idea of cyclists paying an ACC levy has been raised. It would be difficult for ACC to do this as cyclists are not required to register their cycles so it could not be part of a registration fee; nor do they use fuel so it could not be a fuel levy; and there is nothing in the IPRC Act which allows ACC to levy cyclists.



    · The $62 million figure that ACC was reported to have paid from the Motor Vehicle Account in the year ending 30 June 2008 represents the amount of money spent, in that year, on injured riders and pillion passengers of motorcycles for accidents that occurred from 1974 to 2008. It excludes the cost of acute care provided in hospitals and costs for claims that only require medical treatment.



    · Injuries from motor vehicle crashes can be very serious and take, in some cases, many years to recover from. This is why there are still a few injuries that occurred in 1974 that still require support from ACC now.



    · In the 2007/08 year ACC collected $12.3m from motorcyclists, which is comprised of $10.9 million from motorcycles and $1.4 million from mopeds.





    You may be interested in reading the attached document which provides an overview of the Levy setting process for the Motor Vehicle Account. I also refer you to the Levy Consultation document which can be found at http://www.acc.co.nz/for-business/le...tion/index.htm.



    Note that if you wish to make a submission it must be received at ACC by 5:00pm on 10 November 2009.





    Yours sincerely





    Keith McLea

    General Manager, ACC Insurance



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    · Levy setting process for the Motor Vehicle Account

    · Calculating the motorcycle levy – frequently asked questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheshirecat View Post
    General Manager, ACC Insurance
    Is that a subtle rebranding, or just their insurance division...?
    Redefining slow since 2006...

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    I'm with him.

    ACC Insurance? WTF?

    Chesire, could you please forward that letter to as many opposition parties as possible, highlighting the "Insurance" in the signature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheshirecat View Post

    · ACC is a no-fault scheme and this means that if you have an accident you will be covered by ACC regardless of whose fault it is. It does not mean that your potential for having an accident is not taken into account when levies are calculated. Motorcyclists are 16 times more likely to be involved in a road crash than any other road user, and they are far more likely to be seriously injured. That’s why their levies need to be higher. It’s like the work levy, e.g. a deep sea fisherman pays more than an office worker. This is the only fair way to spread the cost of ACC.



    · Motor vehicle levies fund ACC cover for most injuries involving moving vehicle on public roads in New Zealand. Off-road accidents do not occur on public roads, therefore are not covered by the Motor Vehicle Account and are not included in the levy assessment for motorcycles. For example if you are a farmer and you have an accident on your farm bike you are covered by the work account; if you are a trail-bike rider and you have an accident you are covered by the non-work account. We know if accidents are on or off-road from the ACC claim form which asks very specific questions.



    · The idea of cyclists paying an ACC levy has been raised. It would be difficult for ACC to do this as cyclists are not required to register their cycles so it could not be part of a registration fee; nor do they use fuel so it could not be a fuel levy; and there is nothing in the IPRC Act which allows ACC to levy cyclists.
    I wouldn't have done it better. They have just contradicted themselves a few times in as little as 3 paragraphs. The conclusion: yes the levy is according to the policies but the policies are crap, broken and unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    Is that a subtle rebranding, or just their insurance division...?
    Rebranding. he's the dude who was on Closeup. He used to be Levy Manager , then his title got changed. h
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Rebranding. he's the dude who was on Closeup. He used to be Levy Manager , then his title got changed. h
    Is the rebrand public knowledge or are they leaking it deliberately or inadvertantly?
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    I would read this guys....

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10012524

    To be honest I would prefer to pay more ACC levy to ensure that my riskier pastime means I get top treatment when I need it.

    $700....and it will end up being less is less that $70 a month...I pay Southern Cross $70 a month and that covers less than what ACC covers which includes income protection.

    Even allowing for petrol etc ACC is still a pretty good deal. Would you rather not have it and be like the UK and USA...

    I agree that the increase is unfair..however, all the Govt are doing is going high knowing that some fuss will be made and it will be reduced...basic haggling which is what happens with all new Bills.

    That's my levies worth



    Cyclists pay ACC via cars, petrol and work and some have motorbikes so they have the same argument that Kbers put out so they are paying their dues....

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    I'm with him.

    ACC Insurance? WTF?

    Chesire, could you please forward that letter to as many opposition parties as possible, highlighting the "Insurance" in the signature?
    Of course it's an insurance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    Of course it's an insurance...
    It isn't and it never has been. Read the ACC Act Graham.

    It's a Compensation scheme. It was never intended to be Insurance.

    If you're going to stir at least back it up with knowledge instead of your blissed-out-Christian-she'll-be-right attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    I would read this guys....

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10012524

    To be honest I would prefer to pay more ACC levy to ensure that my riskier pastime means I get top treatment when I need it.

    $700....and it will end up being less is less that $70 a month...I pay Southern Cross $70 a month and that covers less than what ACC covers which includes income protection.

    Even allowing for petrol etc ACC is still a pretty good deal. Would you rather not have it and be like the UK and USA...

    I agree that the increase is unfair..however, all the Govt are doing is going high knowing that some fuss will be made and it will be reduced...basic haggling which is what happens with all new Bills.

    That's my levies worth



    Cyclists pay ACC via cars, petrol and work and some have motorbikes so they have the same argument that Kbers put out so they are paying their dues....
    You have to be smoking crack if you think that raising ACC will improve the standard of medical care in NZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    It isn't and it never has been. Read the ACC Act Graham.

    It's a Compensation scheme. It was never intended to be Insurance.

    If you're going to stir at least back it up with knowledge instead of your blissed-out-Christian-she'll-be-right attitude.
    In essense it is the same as "Insurance" which is "Compensation"....it's all the same thing at the end of day...it's just a word issue...bit like the "Anti Smacking Law" that isn't callled that but you will claim is its...

    Not taking a Christian view...I would say the same if I was not...looking at the big picture...

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    I'm with him.

    ACC Insurance? WTF?

    Chesire, could you please forward that letter to as many opposition parties as possible, highlighting the "Insurance" in the signature?
    will do

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    You have to be smoking crack if you think that raising ACC will improve the standard of medical care in NZ.
    I suspect that medical care and advances are not linked to ACC...compared to the UK NZ's health care is pretty good and is also funded by the Govt, not just ACC. ACC pays for personal injury part which the hospitals invoice the ACC for...and are paid from the levies..

    I guess it's a bit like Private treatment...

    I had a sports injury in 2000..so a few years ago and received great treatment...no complaints...operated on within 3 hours...

    Nats is having spinal surgery in 2 weeks...she is having a brace around her spine which grows with her...pretty good medical care if you ask me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    In essense it is the same as "Insurance" which is "Compensation"....it's all the same thing at the end of day...it's just a word issue...bit like the "Anti Smacking Law" that isn't callled that but you will claim is its...

    Not taking a Christian view...I would say the same if I was not...looking at the big picture...
    OHHH, For gods sake...
    ACC and insurance schemes/scams are NOT the same!
    You are some strange apologist type...
    Let me put it into words from your own mouth..
    Church and God, not the same...
    ACC and insurance, not the same...
    Whats the matter with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    I would read this guys....

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10012524

    To be honest I would prefer to pay more ACC levy to ensure that my riskier pastime means I get top treatment when I need it.

    $700....and it will end up being less is less that $70 a month...I pay Southern Cross $70 a month and that covers less than what ACC covers which includes income protection.

    Even allowing for petrol etc ACC is still a pretty good deal. Would you rather not have it and be like the UK and USA...

    I agree that the increase is unfair..however, all the Govt are doing is going high knowing that some fuss will be made and it will be reduced...basic haggling which is what happens with all new Bills.

    That's my levies worth



    Cyclists pay ACC via cars, petrol and work and some have motorbikes so they have the same argument that Kbers put out so they are paying their dues....
    and i have already payed over $5000.00 with another demand of $1000.00 to acc for the priverlage of working for myself, with out taking into acount acc on gas, car and bike rego I think i could get a resonable privet cover for that sort of coin

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