Not allowed to hand out BikersAgainstACCLevies pamphlet at CHCH Biketoberfest

[cowboyz]

Chris, Thank you for fronting up and adding a bit more to this saga. You have, I believe, clarified your position, but you haven't contradicted the events that took place.

Maybe you had good intentions,, but the effect of preventing the pamphlets being handed out at the best time and location is to give the impression that despite anything you may have said at the time, you were siding with ACC against motorcyclists.

I stand by my origional response.

I think both side have clearly stated there position.

on one side you have a bike shop holding an event. With all busniess ventures sometimes it is compulsory to sleep with the devil for the greater benefit. ACC supported bikefest and bikefest supported ACC. Bike fest made a decision to not have any constrovesy (hitcher will be along soon) at their rally and sweeping issues that effect bikers under the carpet as to not been seen by potiential buyers. That is their absoulte right but dont come making up stories about supporting bikers and how many years you have been in the industry for and how much you do for Mr biker and how pissed off you are at ACC levies. Make a stand FFS. Just say outright... Its not in your best interest to piss ACC sponsership off. Its what NZ'ders do best. Just dont rock the boat, god forbid someone will get splashed with a bit of saltwater.

You dumb fuck, as he said, ACC got involved with them last fall. We've only been "being screwed" by ACC for a couple of weeks.

Good too see the KB kangaroo court is hard at work.

Dont see this as kangaroo court at all. Both parties agree on what happened. Even reasons behind what happened seem to be agreed by all.
Its just if a "nice guy" can still be a "nice guy" by collabrating with the devil and leaving those who support him out in the cold.

[cowboyz]

Hiya. Have just read this thread, albeit very quickly.

I just want to say to you, sorry that you're getting flamed.

I invited ACC/Rideforever to our BADD Endurance Race - part of the Taupo Road Race Spectacular coming in December.

The idea was to educate riders on gear and give away some free gear from a dealership.

We are not receiving sponsorship or payment from ACC, just giving them a presense (sp?).

We were not forewarned these levy increases were coming from ACC. A fellow board member and I attend meetings with an ACC rep.
Quite annoyed with this - Our board of trustees will have to rethink ACC's presence (sp?).

Luckily in our case we have the luxury of time to assess the situation - I'm assuming you didn't? Good on you for fronting up
To be honest, my initial thoughts are that RideForever should still have a presence but accept that riders will want to have their say.

I dont think that ACC presence is a bad thing.

But sweeping issues under the carpet and pretending its all good is a bad thing.

Reading slightly between the lines of rolling thunders posts the underlying tone (feel free to correct) is that bikers do not have any sense of common courtesty and are a bunch of misfits running round looking for pitchforks and flame torches.

[kerryhare]

And here was me thinking we had freedom of speech in this country. I personally don't see the problem with handing out the leaflets at this event. I think it was the right place, right time etc. It is where they should be handed out. What else was been handed out?

[jim.cox]

do not have any sense of common courtesty and are a bunch of misfits running round looking for pitchforks and flame torches.

Well, Guy Fawkes' is just days away...

[cowboyz]

OH DEAR GOD ON A STICK!

LOOK GUYZ, KIWIBICKERERS HAZ BEEN SUPPORTING ACC. QUICK, BURN THEM ALLZ, THEY ARE EVIDENTLY SUPPORTING OUR REGISTRATION INCREASEZ!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=87086

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=86313

HEY! Look over there ------------------------>

Its a point that you seem to have missed by about 5 miles.

[PirateJafa]

HEY! Look over there ------------------------>

Its a point that you seem to have missed by about 5 miles.

I suggest you read the thread before posting, winner.

[Rhubarb]

This is not so. If the property is privately owned, but is opened to the public with the use of some advertising or signage for the purposes of some public gathering, then it becomes a public place for that time. Any member of the public may conduct themselves within the law on that property during the time of the event. The organisers must terminate the event and publicly ask everyone to leave if they want their private property back.

Sorry, but you are not within your rights to compel a citizen acting within the law to do anything. You would do well to remember this, save comebacks of this nature.

It is my understanding that you are incorrect regarding the event being in a public place.

The organisers had a permit from the Council to operate therefore they took on the responsibility of managing the site so they needed to implement conditions such as barriers, toilets, an approved traffic management plan and so on.

For the period that the permit covers it is no longer a public place, it is under the control of the event organiser. The event organiser is responsible for what happens within the site and can do what they like as long as it falls within the terms under which the permit was issued.

I have been involved in running an event on what is normally a public place but for the period the permit covers it becomes a private venue that you can even charge entry for. Take the Hamilton V8's, the Greymouth or Wyndham motorbike racing as examples.

I'm not siding with either party on the pamphlet issue but I think if facts are posted they should at least be correct.

[oldrider]

Sorry for responding to your post so out of order......the volume of stuff on the thread has been hard to manage and respond to easily. It's hard to put together a single response to every query

Regardless of outcome....some equity would be nice.

What a load of "Bullshit". (IMHO)

You should have just told the "simple" truth in the first place!

Were ACC were sponsers of your event? YES! Did you cock up? YES!

Nothing else to report, move on!

Reading through this thread some adages sprang to mind:

To quote couple: "Me thinks he protest too much" (Shakespear)

"Would that God the gift to give us, to see ourselves as others see us" (Robbie Burns)

[PirateJafa]

Dont see this as kangaroo court at all.

Are you blind or just mentally feeble?

Taken from the first page of this thread alone...

That's a good enough reason for me to NEVER consider Golightly insurance, or to buy anything from Rolling Thunder.

What hypocrites, they have missed an opportunity to promote motorcycling and promoting the problems with ACC!!

FFS Golightly Insurance and Rolling Thunder can go fuck themselves......Oh they already have!!

Never dealt with Golightly or Rolling Thunder. And never will!

Sounds like a good excuse not to support Biktoberfest any more.

second that, what a bunch off tossers they are.

hand them out brother stick it to da man

Higher bullshit than that even, The two faced bastards, I'm never going to biketoberfest again, OK I've never been but if I had I wouldn't go again.

X2

[cowboyz]

I suggest you read the thread before posting, winner.

errr. I have been here since the beginning.. I never posted until rt put his side across.

There is no argument to answer.

both agree that ACC had a role in the event - I have no problem at all with ACC being involved in any event. Bankrolling an event however.,. thats not mint. But they have a job to do telling people to not injure themselves because in NZ, we dont have enough common sense to work that out for ourselves.

both agree that the organisers did not want ACC put to question at the event. - but here squats the toad. It would seem a perfect place to hand out awareness and transparency of what ACC is proposing. Hardly works in a bike shops favour if they are getting Mr 50 mid life crisis to buy a new Harley if they find out its gonna cost them $800 to register it.

Freedom of speech is a joke. Your saying rt can put a smoke screen over ACC and limited information from ACC but those that are effected by hidden agendas arent allowed to say.. hey.. heres a pamphlet.. want to read about what I dont like ?

[Headbanger]

Moral of the story.

Don't fuck with the man handing out the fuckin leaflets, thats not your role, Bitch.

Alright?

Otherwise, KB'er get mad.

And when KB'er get mad, Shit get crazy.

[imdying]

Gave up soon after the first few pages, I'll go back later and add all the hot headed fuckwits to my ignore list.

David Golightly is well known as a good cunt (tm)... and I pretty much hate everyone, so you can be pretty certain it's true if even someone like me has a good word to say about him.

I can't believe you sissys would even pay attention to someone telling you what you can and can't hand out on a public street... are you guys for real?!?!? Go the hard arse bikers....

Chris you're crazy to think that, given the final submissions date, and the amount of teenage angst over the issue, that people wouldn't be politicing over the ACC issues at your event. As they're within their rights to do. Don't expect anything than mob justice here though, the lies and half truths are standard fare on this forum.

/edit: Apparently I'll have to wait till Jantar isn't a mod before I can add him to my ignore list...

[Genestho]

I dont think that ACC presence is a bad thing.

But sweeping issues under the carpet and pretending its all good is a bad thing.

Reading slightly between the lines of rolling thunders posts the underlying tone (feel free to correct) is that bikers do not have any sense of common courtesty and are a bunch of misfits running round looking for pitchforks and flame torches.

Sorry - I didn't read into anything too hard.

I believe there should be a balance of giving your customers or supporters what they want, and having a voice, and having ACC at events like this.

At the end of the day, you crash (or somebody crashes into you!) - they'll pay.

I agree with you that it's in their vested interest to be at events like this.

It's quite simple that if ACC are going to be at an event in light of the current circumstances, both organisers of events and ACC - need to accept Riders will want to politely have their say.
There have been only peaceful rides, and protests, so I can't see why Riders can't politely have their say (IMO)

And thus, if ACC still want to support Bike events, they should understand this, or not be involved at all.

You guys have to remember rep's from ACC events are not responsible for these proposals, and remember to respect they're doing their job.

I guess for any organiser, the fear is mob mentality turning an event into custard.
Tricky situation for all involved really.


Alot of work, time, and money goes into these events. And really I feel for the organisers getting flamed here. Organisers primarily please sponsors foremost.

The organisers dealt with this the way they saw fit - sadly a thread like this is divisive, and sidelines the real issue.

[eelracing]

G'day,



It's probably worth giving a little bit of background

Dave Golightly, from Golightly Insurance, is a guy our dealership has partnered with.

While Dave and I are now insurance competitors we will always be friends and will continue to organize Biketoberfest together as long as it exists.

collectively decided how we would all respond if we were faced with an issue regarding the ACC levies(more on that later).


Chris Elles

Reading between the lines (as above)and if I was a cynical cunt (and I am)
and knowing ACC are under orders from ACC Minister Nick Smith to doctor the figures to make the books look bad (applying private insurance assumptions to a no blame system)
And knowing National want to introduce competition to ACC it does'nt take a brain surgeon to work out what angle you and your insurance toadies are coming from.

[kerryhare]

I wonder what would of happened if one had been walking around this event wearing an ACC protest Tee Shirt, would they have been told to take it off. Just a thought.