Not allowed to hand out BikersAgainstACCLevies pamphlet at CHCH Biketoberfest

[The Stranger:Me]

Bang on, and rep to you for putting that probably quite unpopular yet completely correct opinion out there.

Unfortunately, you'll be finding that KBers are quite quick to disagree with anyone who doesn't kiss their arse.

You wanted to run a positive event, and good on you. You're actually putting your money where your mouth is, unlike the keyboard warriors on here. Keep up the good work.

But hey, that bus is quite heavy and I could use some help holding it up thanks.

[avgas]

im self employed have 5 cars, 2 bikes so will have a huge amount going to acc and i dont support the increases but do support Rolling Thunder and Dave Golightly not wanting the pamphlets handed out....would you be happy if you were having a party to christen a new baby and the anti aborting crew wanted to hand out their pamphlets. I know its not the same thing but!! .....the op was told where he could hand out the flyers but chose to stir things up on here, the great KB knocking machine

I completely agree with this, "KB is full of love and disrespect..." (you know who you are...).
Facts that I am still not happy about are the following...
- ACC sponsorship, when their books don't balance - and we are apparently to blame.
- R/T and Golightly not just cutting to the point of why they didn't want the pamphlets given out. And still haven't......
- R/T and Golightly not just saying "IT WAS AN ACC EVENT, so we cant condone such acts".

I am sure the crew at R/T and Golightly are super nice people - but they are a bit naive if they just think that we needed a background story. When it comes to politics (of any kind), the last thing you do is smoke and mirrors.
Honesty can sometimes be a 1000 words without the cover story.
-Stew

[gothavealaugh]

David Golightly has done more for local motorcycling than you ever will To suggest that he doesn't support your passion for motorcycles just shows you up as an uninformed moron

Well thats really nice, so why was he acting this way to a person handing out information. I hope he keeps up his support but it won't be with support from My wallet that is my choice yours is yours.

[DMNTD:Me]

i...the op was told where he could hand out the flyers but chose to stir things up on here, the great kb knocking machine

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[imdying]

Well thats really nice, so why was he acting this way to a person handing out information. I hope he keeps up his support but it won't be with support from My wallet that is my choice yours is yours.

Read the post below your one my slow friend...

[gothavealaugh]

Read the post below your one my slow friend...

And read Ixions post earlier in this thread the message need to go out to the general public as well as the motorcycle community. Being told to go and sit in the corner to hand out flyers is pushing this issue to the side. Again I believe this is not a good look and one I don't support.

So folks the choice is always yours where you spend your money and mine won't go to rolling thunder, or golightly or his supporting brands.

Now tell me to pull my head in but what was offensive in handing out material.

[imdying]

Everyone is well aware of the situation, wanting to just enjoy motorcycling for a day without having politicing in your face isn't too much to ask, especially as alternatives were given.

[MSTRS:Me]

Funny how one inflammatory post can set a thread on a path of destruction. One that shows no sign of slowing down.
Seems to me that the OP had his own idea of what he should do, and didn't like being told that he would have to do it another way.
End of story.

[Brian d marge]

David Golightly has done more for local motorcycling than you ever will To suggest that he doesn't support your passion for motorcycles just shows you up as an uninformed moron

What you disagreeing with

1 was handing out pamphlets

2 the other made a call he thought was right

trouble is , if its not on private property also it was about a very important subject it was wrongly handled


in this business environment that can cause a un wanted reaction

it doesn't matter if you are gods gift to man, Word of mouth is an effective advertisement , I know this I use it for promoting my business

My personal feeling is that any not out and about doing all they can to stop this ACC ( and in my opinion the business round table)

I dont know these people from a bar of soap,,,,l but Rolling Thunder the name has been used in a negative light ,,,,,so would I shop there .....( its that brutal ,,,happens to my business ,,,,)

One click on me enter button and a few days wait , ......

Stephen

[gothavealaugh]

Everyone is well aware of the situation, wanting to just enjoy motorcycling for a day without having politicing in your face isn't too much to ask, especially as alternatives were given.

I don't think everyone is aware how many non motorcyclists don't know what is happening and facts about the changes to Acc

As for enjoying a day without politics

Put your Helmet on and go for a ride unless you have voices in your head I can assure you won't hear anything about acc. Go and enjoy motorcycling while you still can afford to.

[imdying]

It's impossible to know the number of non-motorcyclists at the event, and of those, how many are unaware of the proposed ACC levy hikes, but I'd wager that the proportion would have been pretty small given the press the issue has had.

I will always be able to afford motorcycling, I spend more on oil in a year than this levy increase amounts to... you're being overly dramatic. Have a gander at what they pay overseas and count yourself lucky.

[Genestho]

End of.....

Mmmm agreed.

Hammer, Nail, Head.

May I suggest to OP, when plan A, or B don't work out....A) talk to organisers, B) ask permission, establish prior contact and discussion.....
Adapt to the situation. (As in the solution offered)
Like a game of chess, think ahead - quite often plans don't go as expected

I'm sure alot has been learned here

[vifferman]

Having read the whole thread (dispassionately) it seems to me the whole thing's been blown up out of all proportion, not helped by various KBers chipping in with their 2cents' worth (no longer legal currency, y'know...)

I think Rolling Thunder's response to this has been surprisingly restrained, given that they were slagged off not just by the original poster, but by people who posted without first finding out all the facts. These KBers seem to have aligned themselves with the OP merely because they're anti-ACC, and because they've assumed that Rolling Thunder et alia are in bed with the ACC and are therefore the enemy and not to be trusted.

I think if I'd spent lots of time and effort organising an event like this, and someone turned up out of the blue and started handing out leaflets without giving me the courtesy of talking to me about it first, then getting huffy because they took what I said the wrong way, I'm sure I would feel quite aggrieved. Whose event was it? Was it a KiwiBiker event, or a Rolling Thunder organised event?

A bit of effective communication (perhaps on both sides?) and a bit less emotion and this would be a non-issue. Or perhaps it could have been a cause for celebration instead.

[Big Dave]

If I was running an event and received dedicated sponsorship from party A - I wouldn't allow Party B to disparage A at the event.

Outside it is B's business.

Inside it is a breach of the original trust.

Any subsequent agreements would also be unlikely.

[AllanB]

Just a bit pissed I missed the day. Got busy with the family as one does and had to decide between a trip to Manchester Street or a actual ride on the bike …. The bike won.

I think it’s a shame that RT and DG are being slagged off here – I personally agree with them – it was never designed as a protest. There was a run on Saturday for this.

I’m also surprised at the number of scathing responses from members who live nowhere near Christchurch and have never put a foot in Rolling Thunder or any of the other dealers doors. But this is KB.

The bringing together of all the dealers in Manchester Street for this event is IMO, a huge step forward for motorcycling in Christchurch and I’ll make dam sure I’m there next year.