Screw peaceful non-disruptive protest: Let's Cause Mayhem!

[wysper]

A lock and chain would be wise.
I also reckon we will need to have somebody guarding our bikes from harm.

What if every biker stood by his/her bike for the duration of the protest.
Holding a sign explaining why they were there. We would be protecting our own, protecting each other and spreading a message.

And I think you are right about bringing cyclists, sports people into it. The political angle needs to be hammered too. Potentially we are a voting block thousands strong. If the issue is a vote winner/loser for us.

I reckon whilst the public may be on our side, they couldnt give a toss what happens.

Its human nature to only react to a situation when it affects us. The public arent being affected, thus they wont react. The politicians arent being affected, they wont react. The government is not being affected, they wont react.

THis is so true, the public may be on our side, but they are little help to us as their voices are silent on this issue.

Still, it may be better to have a silent majority on our side rather than a vocal majority against us at this stage.

Good thread though III, it is making me think what I would be prepared to do to fight this. How far I would be prepared to go. We all should think about that I reckon.

[idleidolidyll]

What if every biker stood by his/her bike for the duration of the protest.
Holding a sign explaining why they were there. We would be protecting our own, protecting each other and spreading a message.

Good idea. Some may have to go to work but others could do this for them. we wouldn't ALL need to be with the bikes and having friendly 'guards' with placards might help persuade others to join in.

And I think you are right about bringing cyclists, sports people into it. The political angle needs to be hammered too. Potentially we are a voting block thousands strong. If the issue is a vote winner/loser for us.

cyclists are just as abused by the shoddy road repairs as we are; sometimes more so

why blame them for getting hurt on our anti cycle/motorbike roads?
would YOU let your child or grandachild ride a cycle in Auckland? I wouldn't

THis is so true, the public may be on our side, but they are little help to us as their voices are silent on this issue.

Still, it may be better to have a silent majority on our side rather than a vocal majority against us at this stage.

Good thread though III, it is making me think what I would be prepared to do to fight this. How far I would be prepared to go. We all should think about that I reckon.

thanks for your thoughts

[idleidolidyll]

Damn, lost the link

twas 'sis' i think who said on another hread:

paraphrased: "we can bring cars and vans too, this would help with the public and banner space and the riding slowly taking up a lane thing"

[ManDownUnder]

One legal disruption I thought of was to start REALLY early in the AM and park one bike in every car parking spot in the main centers.As far as I'm aware its totally legal but would disrupt the central cities completely.

Ditto - I think it's a GREAT idea - but be selective about it. I don't like the idea of impacting retailers... especially during a recession. They have kids to feed too

And likewise... make use of bus lanes. DOn't forget to exploit the anomaly about bus lanes and intersections.

Bikes are allowed to use bus lanes inside Auckland city but are NOT allowed to proceed at the green "B". Chinaman's hill in the city is RIPE for causing mayhem. Ride to the top, wait for the buses to bank up behind you, wait for the "B"... and SIT THERE

By law you have to wait for the green light to go on... and when it does, scoot through the intersection quicksmart. The lanes merge the bus lanes runs out, and cars then cut them off. Done it before - and it works a TREAT!

We're allowed to use public toilets too I understand. Imagine if we used them all at once!!!!!!

Not that'm advocating anything... much...

And don't forget to have cars towed if they park in bike parks... that's not on

[GOONR]

Ditto - I think it's a GREAT idea

And likewise... make use of bus lanes. DOn't forget to exploit the anomaly about bus lanes and intersections.

Bikes are allowed to use bus lanes inside Auckland city but are NOT allowed to proceed at the green "B". Chinaman's hill in the city is RIPE for causing mayhem. Ride to the top, wait for the buses to bank up behind you, wait for the "B"... and SIT THERE

By law you have to wait for the green light to go on... and when it does, scoot through the intersection quicksmart. The lanes merge the bus lanes runs out, and cars then cut them off. Done it before - and it works a TREAT!

Not that'm advocating anything... much...

And don't forget to have cars towed if they park in bike parks... that's not on

Auckland City Council seem to think you can go on the "B" light. linky here

EDIT: Doesn't mean you have to though.

[ManDownUnder]

Be really carefull about trying to block traffic on a bike. I know people who would if really pissed off just push through a group of bikes.

We need a KBer in a land cruiser behind each lane of bikes then.

[ManDownUnder]

Auckland City Council seem to think you can go on the "B" light. linky here

EDIT: Doesn't mean you have to though.

Need clarification on that because bus signals and intersections are controlled by Transit, and they say NO, or at least they used to.

Can anyone confirm?

[GOONR]

Need clarification on that because bus signals and intersections are controlled by Transit, and they say NO, or at least they used to.

Can anyone confirm?

Well I guess if there is any confusion, in this situation it would best to err on the side of caution and wait then aye!!

[retro asian]

The March for Democracy will be held at 1:30pm on Saturday 21 November in Queen Street and will be calling on the government to amend s59 of the Crimes Act so that the law does not treat light smacking for the purpose of correction as a criminal offence.

“This is now far greater than just the smacking issue. It’s an issue of democracy in New Zealand, and the dismissal of the views of an overwhelming majority of voters by our elected representatives,” says Mr McCoskrie.


They set 'em up....we knock 'em down...

[twotyred]

I agree

I thought about that from the start and have some ideas

not ready to post them here yet though; it might be better that those watching from the other side don't know our tactics

this is probably the kind of thing you'll get in your txt when the time is right

You know of course that "the other side" is going to get on your txt list...?

[caseye]

The March for Democracy will be held at 1:30pm on Saturday 21 November in Queen Street and will be calling on the government to amend s59 of the Crimes Act so that the law does not treat light smacking for the purpose of correction as a criminal offence.

“This is now far greater than just the smacking issue. It’s an issue of democracy in New Zealand, and the dismissal of the views of an overwhelming majority of voters by our elected representatives,” says Mr McCoskrie.


They set 'em up....we knock 'em down...

We are almost all parents of one sort/type or another this would have to be a very good thing to support and be seen supporting while riding our bikes in the thousands.
Remember, it' not about making smacking Legal, it's about allowing parents to be parents and use their own discretion as to what degree of punishment to use.Obviously assaulting your kids Is, Was and Always should be Illegal.

"Other side"??? Theres sides? We're right,aint we?Bugger em and God (cause he's all that would be standing between them and a very sore head) help em if they tried anything.

[TOTO]

So this is for about a week after the 17th if nothing comes of the Bikoi?
If so then, yeah, I'm in, providing I'm not at work and it won't endanger my life, my clean licence or my clean criminal record!

+1 on what she said

[idleidolidyll]

We need a KBer in a land cruiser behind each lane of bikes then.

I have a ssangyong; will that do?

I really like where this thread is going, there are some excellent ideas for legal mahem out there

[idleidolidyll]

You know of course that "the other side" is going to get on your txt list...?

yeah, you're probably right and that's another reason txt works: no specific plans announced until the meet in each region

by then it will be too late

i fully expect mr plod to send me their txt #

i've done this before

[idleidolidyll]

Auckland City Council seem to think you can go on the "B" light. linky here

EDIT: Doesn't mean you have to though.

given the bus drivers have just been on strike; i think they'd be on our side even if we did hold them up

the right banners and attitude will do it