The firearm thread

**Mr Merde** · 19th November 2009, 07:33

Originally Posted by jono035

Odd... We had an old car lying around that we shot up a bit, the .22 rounds were making it through the outside of the door panel but getting stopped somewhere inside the door... Went through the windows pretty easily though, although we didn't try the windscreen...

I have a video tape at hope (VHS) called

Deadly Weapons.

Its 2 hours of a group of shooters trying out all sorts of different firearms, calibres etc in all sorts of different situations.

One of which is penetration of a car door.

They fired pistols at the back doors from about 3 metres.

Only two actually penetrated the car door sucessfully. The 9mm and a 12 gauge solid. All the rest were halted by the doors metal or the mechanisms inside the door. Even the .44 magnum failed to completely penetrate.

Admittedly these were American cars and made of thicker metal than our Jap, Aussie and European cars but it is interesting.

They also showed such thisngs as bullets not smashing through windscreens, .50BMG rounds keyholing after being fired through light brush, full auto guns emptying theior mags and not getting a byullet on target, .357 not breaking the block of a V8.

As a finale they open up on their teat car with a M2 .50 BMG heavy machine gun then after they finish with that they place 4 sticks of gelignite behind each wheel and detonate it.

A very interesting video for those interested in what can and cant be done with various guns and pounds.

I understand it is not available here in NZ.

Chris

**Wolf** · 19th November 2009, 08:22

Originally Posted by jono035

Odd... We had an old car lying around that we shot up a bit, the .22 rounds were making it through the outside of the door panel but getting stopped somewhere inside the door... Went through the windows pretty easily though, although we didn't try the windscreen...

Always wanted to drag an old car out onto a range and conduct "ballistic tests"...

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

I have a video tape at hope (VHS) called

Deadly Weapons.

[cool shit about shooting up cars snipped]

I understand it is not available here in NZ.

Chris

Which means in order to learn, we have no choice but to resort to actual physical experimentation.

**jono035** · 19th November 2009, 10:06

The box o' truth website has a few interesting tests involving vehicles, mostly aimed towards typical 'what-if' scenarios such as should you try use a car or car door as cover if needed, how you should compensate your aim if you have to fire out through a windscreen, that kind of thing. Interesting stuff.

That would be an interesting video, Chris... It is always nice to have a solid idea of what is/is not possible with different rounds. At the least it makes for interesting conversation regarding movie portrayal of firearms etc. and it may even become practically useful someday.

**Mr Merde** · 19th November 2009, 10:13

Originally Posted by jono035

The box o' truth website has a few interesting tests involving vehicles, mostly aimed towards typical 'what-if' scenarios such as should you try use a car or car door as cover if needed, how you should compensate your aim if you have to fire out through a windscreen, that kind of thing. Interesting stuff.

That would be an interesting video, Chris... It is always nice to have a solid idea of what is/is not possible with different rounds. At the least it makes for interesting conversation regarding movie portrayal of firearms etc. and it may even become practically useful someday.

I'll dig it out and the video player also.
Next shoot we could have it playing afterwards and thos einterested can have a look.

It does dispell quite a few myths portayed by the movies and TV, it is also quite dry and long winded in parts.

One of my personal favoutite scenes is where the presenter dons a bullet proof vest from "Second Chance" and the owner of this company aims a FN rifle (.308) at his midriff and fires. Distance of about 1 metre from muzzle to midriff.

The presenter stands on one leg and receives the impact. Doesnt even knowk him off balance.

**Wolf** · 19th November 2009, 10:15

Originally Posted by jono035

and it may even become practically useful someday.

when some gangsta homey is heading towards your car with a firearm you'd have a good idea whether to laugh at him or shit yourself depending on what he has...

**The Pastor** · 19th November 2009, 10:16

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

I'll dig it out and the video player also.
Next shoot we could have it playing afterwards and thos einterested can have a look.

It does dispell quite a few myths portayed by the movies and TV, it is also quite dry and long winded in parts.

One of my personal favoutite scenes is where the presenter dons a bullet proof vest from "Second Chance" and the owner of this company aims a FN rifle (.308) at his midriff and fires. Distance of about 1 metre from muzzle to midriff.

The presenter stands on one leg and receives the impact. Doesnt even knowk him off balance.

Sod me, that guy must have some big balls.

**Mr Merde** · 19th November 2009, 10:42

Originally Posted by renegade master

Sod me, that guy must have some big balls.

Richard Davis, the owner of Second Chance, demonstrates the effectiveness of his product by turning a .44 mag on his chest and firing.

Thats confidence

**Wolf** · 19th November 2009, 10:53

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Richard Davis, the owner of Second Chance, demonstrates the effectiveness of his product by turning a .44 mag on his chest and firing.

Thats confidence

I'm pretty sure they used an image of that as part of their advertising in gun 'zines.

**jono035** · 19th November 2009, 11:04

Good on him for having faith in his product I guess... Yikes.

**Indiana_Jones** · 19th November 2009, 11:07

We'll need these for when the zombies come, just in case of friendly fire in the heat of the moment

-Indy

**jono035** · 19th November 2009, 11:19

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

We'll need these for when the zombies come, just in case of friendly fire in the heat of the moment

-Indy

You don't think you'll be able to tell the difference between regular people and zombies? Remind me to find somewhere else to hole up well outside your target range...

**Indiana_Jones** · 19th November 2009, 11:26

Originally Posted by jono035

You don't think you'll be able to tell the difference between regular people and zombies? Remind me to find somewhere else to hole up well outside your target range...

lol I didn't quite mean it like that

-Indy

**The Pastor** · 19th November 2009, 11:49

Originally Posted by jono035

You don't think you'll be able to tell the difference between regular people and zombies? Remind me to find somewhere else to hole up well outside your target range...

no doubt indy will, at some stage, break out the mosin. That is when we run.