That was not what was explained to me by the police. Where do you get this from?Originally Posted by davereid
Steve
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That was not what was explained to me by the police. Where do you get this from?
Steve
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gee wizzz
Sorry dude but a mall carpark unless its a council carpark is private property. have a look at the last fair go program for the year.
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Forum whore
Hi Steve,
There is a common idea that Security guards have no powers, can't do anything and are just useless cunts.
The concept that they have no powers is absoutely incorrect, they just have no special powers.
Police operated like this for many years, working entirely under the powers they (and we all) hold under common law.
Only in recent times have the police been given special powers, but the old common law powers still exist, and a lot of modern guards do a 4-level NZQA qualification, so they know exactly what they can and can't do.
The difference is knowledge. The Guard will know when you cross the line, and he will help you step over it.
A bouncer can throw you out of a club or pub, and use force if he needs to.
Guards can throw you out of a mall.
Guards can arrest you for a large range of offences, and after dark they get even more power.
You might be lucky, and find an old school guard at your Mall, he will be a 70 year old tongan father of 8, earning a few extra bob, and he won't do anything because he doesnt know the extent of his powers.
But you may find that your mall has hired a new professional guard. He will know his powers, and he is likely to be just the sort of buggar to enjoy using them.
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The basics are.. its a publicly accessable place, not a public place - its private property, you are there at the implied invitation of the owner. (Note that carparks operated by the council are a public place, which is completely different.)
That invitation can be removed at any time, at which time you can be asked to leave, and if you don't you can be removed.
Any property you leave behind can be held by the landowner - so if you are helped off the south end of the mall, and your bike is at the north end, you can't legally go back to get it, and you can be charged for its recovery / unclamping / towing.
Then you can be trespassed, so you can never go back, until the landowner changes his mind.
The worst thing is, the landowner might just get pissed off, and tell the guards - NO BIKES, let them park on the street.
And that fucks it up for everyone.
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
Double shot!!
Ok, I see.
Reality check though, aren't we talking about a council carpark?
Steve
"I am a licenced motorcycle instructor, I agree with dangerousbastard, no point in repeating what he said."
"read what Steve says. He's right."
"What Steve said pretty much summed it up."
"I did axactly as you said and it worked...!!"
"Wow, Great advise there DB."
WTB: Hyosung bikes or going or not.
Forum whore
If its a council carpark - new rules.
Thats a public place as opposed to a publicly accessible place, and a guard can't move you on.
You would have to do something criminally illegal before he could even touch you, and even then he would not unless he is a complete idiot.
Go for you life in public places, just make sure you arent actually on private land !
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
Highway Biker
As I understand it, in a public place you can not be trespassed but can be charged with criminal nuisence.
There are also rules covering "Groups" causing public disruption.
Might be a long shot but all it takes is a sympathetic judge and we a doggy doo.
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I think this idea has some merit.
What if the dude that knows the westfield dude, was to ask if this would be something they would allow?
In the middle of one of the isles, park up 3 or 4 perfectly clean bikes, with the riders dressed in normal work attire, handing out information to Joe public.
Have some balloons, a sign up for info sheet, photo ops for the kiddy's, maybe even have Santa on a Harley.
Not threatening, but an opportunity for Joe, who is interested in having the whole story, to get the good oil.
The information sheet would need to be fact, not slander or propaganda. Focus on the real impact to society of allowing this change to go through. The priciple message. Take the arguement away from being about bikers and our wallets, reinforce that we are defending Joe, even though he doesn't get it, and ACC and the Govt are playing on that.
If done right, Westfield, M10 Mega, whomever would not have any issue with it, in fact, may be very accommodating.
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Highway Biker
come up with a proposal, and I'm happy to ask.. My friend runs one of the bigger malls in the Auckland area. Given the negative press around "bikers threatening to close malls", I'm reluctant to go there to even ask without a good proposal and some assurance of no trouble. If the planned "shutdowns" go ahead then there will be absolutely no chance of cooperation (and indeed may result in bikes in general being excluded )
Don't underestimate the self-preservation instincts of coporations!!
Shafty Bugger
There is an oppotunity here to get lots of public support.
In the origional post there was this line.
They revealed yesterday a plan to "shut down" one of the Westfield retail group's nine Auckland malls on Saturday next week by filling its parking spaces with "a conglomerate of bikers, taxis, couriers and truckies".
Most of this thread has been a concentration on the actions of bikers at this event, yet you have all missed the fact that other road users are also going to be there.
SO?
If we , the bikers, are the most well behaved, supplying information to the public, make it a fun thing for kidies, try and look like the good fellas, then this could work for us.
We dont need to block the public access, leave that to the truckies, taxis and couries. Let them piss the public off, they do that often enough anyway.
Let us look at finding the best way of having a protest in this place but in such a way that we are the nice guys.
The headline could be something like,
"Peaceable bikers protest distroyed by truckis, taxis and courier operators"
""Today 150 bikers tried to get ther message accross to the public about the ACC falsehood, but were put in a bad light by other road users who blocked publc access to their Saturday shopping. Biker spokespersons stated they did not want to cause problems for shoppers and are disapointed their efforts were distroyed by the actions of the other protestors.""
Can anybody see where this whole thing could be turned into a bigger advantage , us gaining more public support, and the issure slammed again into the public eye.
It would also send the message to other bikers, the fact, peacefull works!
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could catch a monkey
I don't see permission happening, but it might be worth a try. It's effectively a political protest situation. No corporates would be prepared to appear to support what we are doing.
In all honesty, I don't see it happening even if it was only cars whose levies were getting inflated unfairly. Westfield (and anyone else for that matter) will want to distance themselves from the smelly bikers.
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sigh - NO!
Most Westfields own their own carparks. again - its private parking, private land and yes you can be tresspassed.
Double shot!!
I think if you intentionally scapegoat someone like that, they will probably drop you like a hot brick, and if you are really unlucky they will return the "favour".
Steve
"I am a licenced motorcycle instructor, I agree with dangerousbastard, no point in repeating what he said."
"read what Steve says. He's right."
"What Steve said pretty much summed it up."
"I did axactly as you said and it worked...!!"
"Wow, Great advise there DB."
WTB: Hyosung bikes or going or not.
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I agree, except I don't think that you would have to be "unlucky" for the favour to wing it's way back. It would just be a matter of time.
Shafty Bugger
Steve, think man, I said the media could write it like that, not us drop them in it, differing thing bud. look outside the narrow vision you seem to have.
We cannot control what the media print, if we could then our message would be easy to get out there.
We need to present ourselves to the public as the good guys defending our country, our rights, and the heritage of our children and grandchildren.
I am sure that we will get both good and bad media when we aline ourselves with other groups.
Propogander is all part of warfare. Sometimes bad headlines can produce sympathy from those watching.
To be old and wise, first you must be young and stupid.
Double shot!!
Yeah maybe bro, but I think its all a risky proposition, and all just a little to "convenient".
Yeah for sure we can't control the media, but that can swing either way. For the moment it has gone our way, but I wouldn't count on that remaining.
Steve
"I am a licenced motorcycle instructor, I agree with dangerousbastard, no point in repeating what he said."
"read what Steve says. He's right."
"What Steve said pretty much summed it up."
"I did axactly as you said and it worked...!!"
"Wow, Great advise there DB."
WTB: Hyosung bikes or going or not.
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