Man-made climate change is done for. Dead.

[Skyryder]

Geek talk. All I see is stuff that anyone with a tertiary education in anything but social science can interpret relatively easily.

Yep and that the whole thing about this. It's all to do with 'interpretation.' this means that but others no it means this.

And you call this proof?? Jeezz man and lots of it.


Skyryder

[mowgli]

tbh if the man made climate change thing was a conspiracy i wouldnt be overly bothered, what are the results? get people to stop polluting, use what fuel we have left in a more efficient manner.

dont get me wrong, i dont think the end should justify the means but in this case its more of a white lie situation.

Try using AGW as a justification for the Emissions Trading Scheme. Imagine it costing you $3000 a year through taxes and increased costs. I'm very worried about where this is all going.

[Hans]

tbh if the man made climate change thing was a conspiracy i wouldnt be overly bothered, what are the results? get people to stop polluting, use what fuel we have left in a more efficient manner.

dont get me wrong, i dont think the end should justify the means but in this case its more of a white lie situation.

Get people to stop polluting? CO2 is not a pollutant as such. We need to stop polluting with harmful chemicals, yes?

White Lie? Hardly. Ingenious scheme to make huge amounts of money trading on the non-production of a commodity? Most likely.

[Hans]

Yep and that the whole thing about this. It's all to do with 'interpretation.' this means that but others no it means this.

And you call this proof?? Jeezz man and lots of it.


Skyryder

See? Typical leftie. In your definition of the word "to interpret" really means "to put a spin on".
In my definition it simply means "to understand".

[mashman]

Try using AGW as a justification for the Emissions Trading Scheme. Imagine it costing you $3000 a year through taxes and increased costs. I'm very worried about where this is all going.

See my conspiracy theory and cross your fingers it's a smooth transition!

[Hans]

See my conspiracy theory and cross your fingers it's a smooth transition!

And no-one can actually account for where that money will actually end up.

[mashman]

And no-one can actually account for where that money will actually end up.

Money won't matter

[Skyryder]

See? Typical leftie. In your definition of the word "to interpret" really means "to put a spin on".
In my definition it simply means "to understand".

See now you have bought my personal politics into the equation. Why you need to do so I can only conclude that you can not further your arguement as to the emails validity. They concur with your own beliefs and therefore must be correct. The possibility that they may have been tampered with as mentioned in my first post you do not mention.

As for your meaning of interpret : No mention of either of your definations in the Concise Oxford Dict. more beer.

Skyryder

[Jantar]

So what spin can be placed on this

Email from Prof. Phil Jones (CC'd to Keith Briffa, author of the discredited study showing dendrochronological proof that the 20th century was much
warmer)

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

Reply from Jonathan Overpeck

"I'm not sure we want to go down this path. It would be much better for the AGU etc to do it.
What are the precedents and outcomes of similar actions? I can imagine a special-interest org or group doing this like all sorts of other political actions, but is it something for scientists to do as individuals?"

[Jantar]

If you want to do your own research, then there is a very convenient search engine at;

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/2...ne/#more-12978

[mashman]

If you want to do your own research, then there is a very convenient search engine at;

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/2...ne/#more-12978

This is the whole point. Maybe client change is real, maybe it's not, but the fact still remains that people are making money off us and doing nothing about it other than producing more studies, studies paid for by tax payers...

Where did the money come from to bail out the economy. We printed it, manufactured it. So why can't we do that anytime we like? Because it then devalues money until it's absolutely worthless. Doesn't mean that we all have to stop what we're doing, in fact quite the opposite, but we will do it for the betterment of mankind...

No point in stealing anything if there's no value.
No point in accumulating wealth through drugs because money doesn't matter any more.

Sorry mate, you not got a house, come with us and we'll build you one! Can i fix your roof for you. Can i help you with that. Why wouldn't you... having said that, if she's nice would a blowjob be out of the question?

Plus we also know that we need to fix the planet.

[Street Gerbil]

...before giving it to Hans again. Bummer.
Great find dude!!!

[Jantar]

This is the whole point. Maybe client change is real, maybe it's not, but the fact still remains that people are making money off us and doing nothing about it other than producing more studies, studies paid for by tax payers...

Where did the money come from to bail out the economy. We printed it, manufactured it. So why can't we do that anytime we like? Because it then devalues money until it's absolutely worthless. Doesn't mean that we all have to stop what we're doing, in fact quite the opposite, but we will do it for the betterment of mankind...

No point in stealing anything if there's no value.
No point in accumulating wealth through drugs because money doesn't matter any more.

Sorry mate, you not got a house, come with us and we'll build you one! Can i fix your roof for you. Can i help you with that. Why wouldn't you... having said that, if she's nice would a blowjob be out of the question?

Plus we also know that we need to fix the planet.

OK, its late and I'm tired. But I can't see one single part of this post that has anything to do with false data, false research, or even climate change in general.

[mashman]

OK, its late and I'm tired. But I can't see one single part of this post that has anything to do with false data, false research, or even climate change in general.

Sorry, read some of the emails. There are an awful lot and it is pot luck, but there is some head scratching, by scientists, wondering where global warming is, let alone went!

[scissorhands]

In the 70's we were heading for an ice age.

The oceans rise and fall in time. Its natural. How about Gilgamesh and the ancient floods? Cities found on the ocean floor....

Conspiracy theory:
Climate change is a smoke screen for avoiding valid environmental concerns....
'Get them arguing without a chance of proving one way or another, tax the fuckers, and avoid attention to real issues like urban air quality, total pollutant exposure, deforestation, siltification of waterways, acrylamide, dumbing down, addiction, mind control, feminisation, outlaw bikers....