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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    Geek talk. All I see is stuff that anyone with a tertiary education in anything but social science can interpret relatively easily.
    Yep and that the whole thing about this. It's all to do with 'interpretation.' this means that but others no it means this.

    And you call this proof?? Jeezz man and lots of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    tbh if the man made climate change thing was a conspiracy i wouldnt be overly bothered, what are the results? get people to stop polluting, use what fuel we have left in a more efficient manner.

    dont get me wrong, i dont think the end should justify the means but in this case its more of a white lie situation.
    Try using AGW as a justification for the Emissions Trading Scheme. Imagine it costing you $3000 a year through taxes and increased costs. I'm very worried about where this is all going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    tbh if the man made climate change thing was a conspiracy i wouldnt be overly bothered, what are the results? get people to stop polluting, use what fuel we have left in a more efficient manner.

    dont get me wrong, i dont think the end should justify the means but in this case its more of a white lie situation.
    Get people to stop polluting? CO2 is not a pollutant as such. We need to stop polluting with harmful chemicals, yes?

    White Lie? Hardly. Ingenious scheme to make huge amounts of money trading on the non-production of a commodity? Most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    Yep and that the whole thing about this. It's all to do with 'interpretation.' this means that but others no it means this.

    And you call this proof?? Jeezz man and lots of it.


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    See? Typical leftie. In your definition of the word "to interpret" really means "to put a spin on".
    In my definition it simply means "to understand".
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    Quote Originally Posted by mowgli View Post
    Try using AGW as a justification for the Emissions Trading Scheme. Imagine it costing you $3000 a year through taxes and increased costs. I'm very worried about where this is all going.
    See my conspiracy theory and cross your fingers it's a smooth transition!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    See my conspiracy theory and cross your fingers it's a smooth transition!
    And no-one can actually account for where that money will actually end up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    And no-one can actually account for where that money will actually end up.
    Money won't matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    See? Typical leftie. In your definition of the word "to interpret" really means "to put a spin on".
    In my definition it simply means "to understand".
    See now you have bought my personal politics into the equation. Why you need to do so I can only conclude that you can not further your arguement as to the emails validity. They concur with your own beliefs and therefore must be correct. The possibility that they may have been tampered with as mentioned in my first post you do not mention.

    As for your meaning of interpret : No mention of either of your definations in the Concise Oxford Dict. more beer.

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    So what spin can be placed on this

    Email from Prof. Phil Jones (CC'd to Keith Briffa, author of the discredited study showing dendrochronological proof that the 20th century was much
    warmer)

    "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
    1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

    Reply from Jonathan Overpeck

    "I'm not sure we want to go down this path. It would be much better for the AGU etc to do it.
    What are the precedents and outcomes of similar actions? I can imagine a special-interest org or group doing this like all sorts of other political actions, but is it something for scientists to do as individuals?"
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    If you want to do your own research, then there is a very convenient search engine at;

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/2...ne/#more-12978
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    If you want to do your own research, then there is a very convenient search engine at;

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/2...ne/#more-12978
    This is the whole point. Maybe client change is real, maybe it's not, but the fact still remains that people are making money off us and doing nothing about it other than producing more studies, studies paid for by tax payers...

    Where did the money come from to bail out the economy. We printed it, manufactured it. So why can't we do that anytime we like? Because it then devalues money until it's absolutely worthless. Doesn't mean that we all have to stop what we're doing, in fact quite the opposite, but we will do it for the betterment of mankind...

    No point in stealing anything if there's no value.
    No point in accumulating wealth through drugs because money doesn't matter any more.

    Sorry mate, you not got a house, come with us and we'll build you one! Can i fix your roof for you. Can i help you with that. Why wouldn't you... having said that, if she's nice would a blowjob be out of the question?

    Plus we also know that we need to fix the planet.
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    You must spread some bling around...

    ...before giving it to Hans again. Bummer.
    Great find dude!!!
    "People are stupid ... almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true ... they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so all are easier to fool." -- Wizard's First Rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    This is the whole point. Maybe client change is real, maybe it's not, but the fact still remains that people are making money off us and doing nothing about it other than producing more studies, studies paid for by tax payers...

    Where did the money come from to bail out the economy. We printed it, manufactured it. So why can't we do that anytime we like? Because it then devalues money until it's absolutely worthless. Doesn't mean that we all have to stop what we're doing, in fact quite the opposite, but we will do it for the betterment of mankind...

    No point in stealing anything if there's no value.
    No point in accumulating wealth through drugs because money doesn't matter any more.

    Sorry mate, you not got a house, come with us and we'll build you one! Can i fix your roof for you. Can i help you with that. Why wouldn't you... having said that, if she's nice would a blowjob be out of the question?

    Plus we also know that we need to fix the planet.
    OK, its late and I'm tired. But I can't see one single part of this post that has anything to do with false data, false research, or even climate change in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    OK, its late and I'm tired. But I can't see one single part of this post that has anything to do with false data, false research, or even climate change in general.
    Sorry, read some of the emails. There are an awful lot and it is pot luck, but there is some head scratching, by scientists, wondering where global warming is, let alone went!
    I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!

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    In the 70's we were heading for an ice age.

    The oceans rise and fall in time. Its natural. How about Gilgamesh and the ancient floods? Cities found on the ocean floor....

    Conspiracy theory:
    Climate change is a smoke screen for avoiding valid environmental concerns....
    'Get them arguing without a chance of proving one way or another, tax the fuckers, and avoid attention to real issues like urban air quality, total pollutant exposure, deforestation, siltification of waterways, acrylamide, dumbing down, addiction, mind control, feminisation, outlaw bikers....

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