Bikeoi! 2010

[Ixion]

I think that BIKEOI!-2 needs to send the "you're next" message more strongly than BIKEOI!-1 . That was specifically about our levies, BIKEOI!-2 should be more about the general message. So being in front of the Beehive probably isn't as necessary.

Danger in being elsewhere is that

1. The press downgrade it to "just a bunch of bikers getting together". How much press coverage do the big South Island rallies get?

2. The public put up with us screwing up Wellington traffic, because protesting to Parliament is seen as being a fundamental right. I doubt we'd get the same tolerance elsewhere.

I do think the "where" has to have some relevance to ACC. Where does Sir Owen Woodhouse live? (what city I mean, don't need his actual address)

[Ixion]

Put it for just before any changes in levies will take effect?

That'd be June/July, shit of a time for a biker event, smack in mid winter.

Unless we tied it into the Cold Kiwi ?

[mashman]

a sunny sunday party with a serious message, sausage sizzle and placards on the lawn of the beehive, hot bike and onion smell filling the lazy afternoon air and 15,000 chanting bullshit into the tv1 microphone. Happy days.
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[knuckles24]

Aanother national protest needs to be early 2010 (and for god sakes get rid of the bikeoi term and think of some other name for it), but we also need to keep the regional ones going as well, we need to be in there face as much as possible so they don't think we are going to back down from this and go away. We should be going for 0% increase as any rise in the levys they put on us know they will keep on doing it in the future, we seem to have labour and the green party backing us so why dont we work with them and say NO to any future ACC levy hike.

[mashman]

I think that BIKEOI!-2 needs to send the "you're next" message more strongly than BIKEOI!-1 . That was specifically about our levies, BIKEOI!-2 should be more about the general message. So being in front of the Beehive probably isn't as necessary.

Danger in being elsewhere is that

1. The press downgrade it to "just a bunch of bikers getting together". How much press coverage do the big South Island rallies get?

2. The public put up with us screwing up Wellington traffic, because protesting to Parliament is seen as being a fundamental right. I doubt we'd get the same tolerance elsewhere.

I do think the "where" has to have some relevance to ACC. Where does Sir Owen Woodhouse live? (what city I mean, don't need his actual address)

In which case, find someone at TV7, ya know the guys that have run November as politics month and ask if they would host a debate between representatives from BIKEOI and any other member group of NZ!

[Ixion]

In which case, find someone at TV7, ya know the guys that have run November as politics month and ask if they would host a debate between representatives from BIKEOI and any other member group of NZ!

That's a good thing, but BIKEOI! is specifically about a LOT of bikes flooding into a specific space. Every bike in the country if it were possible.

Debates and BBQs and stuff is all good but that's not BIKEOI!

The press get all wet between the legs at the thought of all that chrome and leather.

I'm still not convinced that we need another one, or that it would be productive.

Which is not to say that we don't have a number of large regional gatherings - like Ulysses did right back at the start.

[Reckless]

I reckon it should simply be the "SAVE ACC" Ride (or similar)

NZ still doesn't realize its the fundamentals of ACC as we know it, we are trying to preserve!

I reckon the fights changed National have forced us to understand what they are doing and how they are changing ACC!

Look only my 2c but all t shirts stickers etc should simply read "SAVE ACC!"
Probably the only way we will get support from wider NZ is if we distance ourselves from the self interest label!

BTW if we can truly get our message across and are interested in letting others join us this could be the biggest protest ever seen - lead by bikers!!

Look just a few thoughts for Ixion and you guys to mull over! "SAVE ACC"

[Bald Eagle]

I reckon it should simply be the "SAVE ACC" Ride (or similar)

NZ still doesn't realize its the fundamentals of ACC as we know it, we are trying to preserve!

I reckon the fights changed National have forced us to understand what they are doing and how they are changing ACC!

Look only my 2c but all t shirts stickers etc should simply read "SAVE ACC!"
Probably the only way we will get support from wider NZ is if we distance ourselves from the self interest label!

BTW if we can truly get our message across and are interested in letting others join us this could be the biggest protest ever seen - lead by bikers!!

Look just a few thoughts for Ixion and you guys to mull over! "SAVE ACC"

i have no probelm with the SAVE ACC slogan for the ride.

How about a North Cape to Bluff ride start at each end spread it over a week. Riders can ride all or any section of it with local soap box speaking rallys at each city / provincial centre along the way.

Final push in to Wellington from a gathering point in the Manawatu.

6000 bikes in one single convoy down highway one.

[mashman]

That's a good thing, but BIKEOI! is specifically about a LOT of bikes flooding into a specific space. Every bike in the country if it were possible.

Agreed to a certain extent, but you know how this works. If you change your name from BIKEOI (reported by the press, submissions sent by BIKEOI etc...), then you've obviously changed something else. Could be your policy, could be your core beliefs, but why did you change your name? We feel it didn't reflect our true goals...

Honestly, what's in a name?

Illustration:

Some stars are named after their discoverer, some are named using a numbering system based on the quadrant of the sky that it's found in...

To me IT'S A FUCKING STAR, it's little and it twinkles and people wonder what it are.

[Reckless]

Isn't Bikeoi or Hikoi a definition of what we are doing rather than a slogan as such??

Therefore could include them both to keep continuity. It could be the:

"SAVE ACC" - Bikoi

[Thani-B]

I think its a good idea! Hopefully I can make it this time.

[Ixion]

Isn't Bikeoi or Hikoi a definition of what we are doing rather than a slogan as such??

Therefore could include them both to keep continuity. It could be the:

"SAVE ACC" - Bikoi

Yes. It is
*A* bikeoi. The "slogan" for BIKEOI!-1 was "Damn the levies"

So maybe

BIKEOI!-1 - Damn the levies

BIKEOI!-2 - Save ACC

Not so sure about Save ACC though , it's a bit bland and all inclusive.

[bogan]

Reasons to do one! Because the government and "public" never understood what was really at stake. We asked our government to let us find out for ourselves. they said NO! have a lower levy instead!

Reasons Against: Lack of public awareness for the real issue!

Thoughts: Country wide BIKEOI by car, bike, cycle, foot, truck, be great if someone could parachute on to the roof of parliament (give the ass risk assessors a heart attack)

When: After 16 Jan as i'm out of the country til then in a couple of weeks and i really want to go this time (I was on the roof of the Westpac for the last one).

If the government/ACC are proposing to announce their final decision on rego levy rates promptly the substantial rise in those on "Non-petrol goods service vehicles" could well generate a lot of support from owners/operators of much of NZ's commercial vehicle fleet.

Now, if we were to arrive supported by a convoy of trucks and vans....

These are good thoughts, the first was about bikers, the second protest could be about saving the no fault component of ACC (new catchy name) we have long enough to plan and get people on our side, we could even get in excess of 10k vehicles (fuck knows where theyd park though) swarming into welli, bikes, cars, utes, trucks, suvs, tractor or two! thousands and thousands of pedestrians. If we can get people from all types to protest I predict a quick u-turn from national on the whole thing!

[Reckless]

A message to wider NZ has to be simple not creative, ask any advertising executive.
If its not read and understood in the blink of an eye its waisted.
They construct ad lines so a 5 year old can get them or they are missed by Joe public and the message is lost.
Thats what has been happening, we have been making a noise everyone knows it but they don't understand WHY!

Look I'm not posting repeatedly for my particular Idea! It can be anything!
But it has to be simple and convey our message and generate a "what" in Joe Public's mind in the blink of an eye!

BTW: Many have said they have had Joe Public come up and pat them on the back, well thats all well and good but
We aren't looking for Joe public's support "as such" we are looking for Joe public to Show National they don't support them on this issue!
There is a big difference!

[StoneY]

Ok its still less than a week since BIKEOI 1 'Damn the levies' campaign

A victory at that
Lets chill

We know we are gonna do it again

Time, no need to worry about the time and date, I say 2nd weekend of DST next year but its only a thought

Now take our time, make a good slogan, contact the right media (I say James Deuce for BIKEOI || official journo) and plan wisely

As Les pointed out up there above, the rushed effort was horrendously stressful