AA supports motorcycle levies

[mowgli]

a small clip of my submission.

Thanks. Letter sent and emailed. Chances of getting a reply...slim

Update: Whadayano, he's OOTO

[Nasty]

PM me your good and bad ACC experiences, I'll compile them and arrange to go and see them, with a list of questions from members/ex members.

As most members who have motorcycles also have cars ( Spank Me being the exception)

Nope ... Spankme bought a car this year ... no exception there.

[Ixion]

We live in degenerate times

But, Mr Merde has no car and no class 1 licence. Several others ditto

[Swoop]

Meanwhile the AA said it cautiously supported risk rating for vehicles but not for drivers as there was no fair way of doing it..
Huh?
You crash more often, you get to pay more. It is what they have been doing all along.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

We live in degenerate times

But, Mr Merde has no car and no class 1 licence. Several others ditto

Hey im not a degenerate because I don't have or want a class 1 license...


as far as I know

[Ixion]

Hey im not a degenerate because I don't have or want a class 1 license...


as far as I know

Other way round. You are a degenerate if you do. Mr Spankme used to swear he never would. Ichabod.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Other way round. You are a degenerate if you do. Mr Spankme used to swear he never would. Ichabod.

whew... had me worried for a second...

[Naki Rat]

I've had similarly great service from AMI over the last 12 years, but well appreciate that all it takes is someone with 'issues', for whatever reason, to taint a good run with an insurer.

Incidentally I've still to confirm the details of insuring semi or unregistered motorcycles with AMI in case I have to go to 'plan B'

Reply just received from AMI:

"AMI's policy wording states that the bike must be kept in a road worthy condition at all times. This means making sure that the bike has a current WOF at all times.
Our policy does not currently exclude cover if the bike is unregistered."

Sounds like a good plan B

[ukusa]

after reading this thread, I wish I was a member of the AA....... so I could CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP and tell them where to stick it!

[jeffs]

Mr Spankme

"Mr" You wait until I see him next, I have to use that one

[riffer]

Other way round. You are a degenerate if you do. Mr Spankme used to swear he never would. Ichabod.

In his defence, it wasn't for him to drive.

[Ixion]

I think he did get his class 1L , though.

[pzkpfw]

That's so he can ride the driver.

[Voltaire]

Here is the reply I got from the AA.
I replied to this that the AA should represent all road users and asked if they had any members who rode motorcycles contributing to their decisions.
I also asked if they were in contact with BRONZ and if not would the AA would be intersted in meeting with them.



"In response to your comments on the ACC levies, the AA said in our submission on the proposed levy increases that we believe they are too much and will only discourage ‘bike owners from paying them which is undesirable. They need to be set at an affordable level, but one which also better reflects the higher costs of accidents involving motorcycles (taking into account relative fault). The AA has also met with the ACC Minister, ACC twice, and also presented to the parliamentary select committee considering changes to the ACC legislation that will reduce the proposed levies considerably. You can find copies of our submissions here: http://www.aa.co.nz/about/submission...overnment.aspx

The AA is cautious about introducing risk rating to any road users, but we believe it could be trialled for motorcyclists as that may help significantly reduce the size of the levies. We are aware that there are experienced riders like yourself who have decades-long safe riding records which could be rewarded by a discount. We consider recognising skills and experience may be a way of appeasing motorcyclists who are facing large levy increases, although the idea needs further research so that relatively unskilled riders aren’t unduly penalised. Currently there is no recognised national standard for rider training, so such a rating system may help establish consistent training programmes nationwide and also increase the uptake of the same, which is to the benefit of riders themselves, particularly those who don’t have a long, safe riding history. We are aware that since the NZ Army introduced advanced rider training in the 1980’s there have been no motorcycle fatalities involving army personnel.

There may be some inequities in the ACC scheme, but in terms of motor vehicle levies (on your registration) motorcycles are the only road user class receiving a subsidy (from cars, trucks and buses), even after accounting for accidents which are not the riders’ fault. Off-road motorbike or on-road bicycle accidents are covered by the Earner’s levy collected from income tax."

[Bald Eagle]

Here is the reply I got from the AA.
I replied to this that the AA should represent all road users and asked if they had any members who rode motorcycles contributing to their decisions.
I also asked if they were in contact with BRONZ and if not would the AA would be intersted in meeting with them.



"In response to your comments on the ACC levies, the AA said in our submission on the proposed levy increases that we believe they are too much and will only discourage ‘bike owners from paying them which is undesirable. They need to be set at an affordable level, but one which also better reflects the higher costs of accidents involving motorcycles (taking into account relative fault). The AA has also met with the ACC Minister, ACC twice, and also presented to the parliamentary select committee considering changes to the ACC legislation that will reduce the proposed levies considerably. You can find copies of our submissions here: http://www.aa.co.nz/about/submission...overnment.aspx

The AA is cautious about introducing risk rating to any road users, but we believe it could be trialled for motorcyclists as that may help significantly reduce the size of the levies. We are aware that there are experienced riders like yourself who have decades-long safe riding records which could be rewarded by a discount. We consider recognising skills and experience may be a way of appeasing motorcyclists who are facing large levy increases, although the idea needs further research so that relatively unskilled riders aren’t unduly penalised. Currently there is no recognised national standard for rider training, so such a rating system may help establish consistent training programmes nationwide and also increase the uptake of the same, which is to the benefit of riders themselves, particularly those who don’t have a long, safe riding history. We are aware that since the NZ Army introduced advanced rider training in the 1980’s there have been no motorcycle fatalities involving army personnel.

There may be some inequities in the ACC scheme, but in terms of motor vehicle levies (on your registration) motorcycles are the only road user class receiving a subsidy (from cars, trucks and buses), even after accounting for accidents which are not the riders’ fault. Off-road motorbike or on-road bicycle accidents are covered by the Earner’s levy collected from income tax."

So they have been as conned by the ACC and Ministers mis-speak as many others. We can expect no help from an organisation who still believe cars are subsidising bikes.
Thats them kicked into touch as far as I am concerned.