SS150 allowed slicks or not?

[gatch]

MNZ rules state clearly that tyre warmers arnt allowed in Streetstock 250....
"Only tyres on general sale to the public in N.Z as road legal fitment are permitted"
" Front & rear tyres fitted must conform to the tyre importers specifications for the homolgated rim size that model"

It is different for the Vic clubs "minilite" 250 class, it says on the website.

Warmers are allowed.

[puddytat]

Fair enuff, but it makes you wonder how your going to get an even playing field if clubs make up thier own rules....or MNZ for that matter.
Waddaya need warmers for, on a a 30 odd hp bike ? None of the class uses them down here & I didnt see or feel that anyone's fluffing around waiting for thier tyres to warm up in a 4-6lap race....
Not hasslin' ya Gatch, just musing...

[gatch]

I only know one dude that races a 250 in the minilites, he "probably has" (I don't know for sure) the trickest "stock" 250, uses warmers, has a second set of rims with other tyres for wet days. Only to come second for this last season..

hehe

[ajturbo]

I only know one dude that races a 250 in the minilites, he "probably has" (I don't know for sure) the trickest "stock" 250, uses warmers, has a second set of rims with other tyres for wet days. Only to come second for this last season..

hehe

and if you knew the full story, you will know that he missed a couple of races, therefore the important points....

[Billy]

and if you knew the full story, you will know that he missed a couple of races, therefore the important points....

And if he had finished those 2 races He still wouldnt have won it so whats your point ???

[huff3r]

So is the VMCC website current, regarding the bit where it says a 250 four-stroke can run in standard trim in SS150, or can have a few mods and run in minilites.. which is run with SS anyway? I'm just trying to figure out some options to get out racing myself

edit:
To make it clear.. would i be able to run a completely standard GSXR250 or similar in with the 150SS without having to worry about the minilite rules, and just following standars SS rules? Because minilites seem a little more complicated and outta my depth for a beginner..

[ajturbo]

And if he had finished those 2 races He still wouldnt have won it so whats your point ???

my point??

i have no point...

[woodyracer]

So is the VMCC website current, regarding the bit where it says a 250 four-stroke can run in standard trim in SS150, or can have a few mods and run in minilites.. which is run with SS anyway? I'm just trying to figure out some options to get out racing myself

edit:
To make it clear.. would i be able to run a completely standard GSXR250 or similar in with the 150SS without having to worry about the minilite rules, and just following standars SS rules? Because minilites seem a little more complicated and outta my depth for a beginner..

a gsxr250 would be under minilight's....look under the VMCC website they have all the rules on there.

[huff3r]

a gsxr250 would be under minilight's....look under the VMCC website they have all the rules on there.

Umm... yeah, thats what i mean.. its kinda conflictin in that it says the 250 would come under Streetstock if you look at the streetstock rules bit, but then theres alsoo the minilights bit... so is it both options? Or just minilights? Or am i just making up an issue where there isnt one?

The DESL Motorcycles Streetstock class has come about via a lengthy process of evolution over the past 20 or 25 years. In the late 70’s to mid 80’s we had 250cc Production class which ran 250 cc 2-stroke road bikes (RD, RG, KR to RGV, KR-1 and NSR’s etc). Following the loss of these bikes to cost and attrition the class was abandoned in the late 90’s. At the same time however, 150cc 2-stroke commuter bikes made their appearance on the market. The organisers of the Suzuki Central Roadrace series saw the opportunity to provide an entry level class for novice racers and it really took off as 150 Streetstock. Now that these bikes are also disappearing due to emissions controls internationally and the move to 4-strokes, VMCC have taken the opportunity to evolve the class again to allow 250cc 4-stroke bikes to compete and we simplify the name to Streetstock.

Seems to indicate a completely standard 250 would be part of Streetstock?

[woodyracer]

with the VMCC, you cant run a 250 minilight in ss150, they dont consider them a fair match..as they arnt.... and thats goes for most clubs.

[huff3r]

with the VMCC, you cant run a 250 minilight in ss150, they dont consider them a fair match..as they arnt.... and thats goes for most clubs.

Oh, thats why i was asking as the VMCC site says otherwise. I thought possibly it might be out of date, as otherwise there would be no reason for a "minilight" class.

That quote i got in my previous post was taken directly from the VMCC page on streetstock, but i did notice that page apparently hasnt been updated since approx 2006 or something

[woodyracer]

Oh, thats why i was asking as the VMCC site says otherwise. I thought possibly it might be out of date, as otherwise there would be no reason for a "minilight" class.

That quote i got in my previous post was taken directly from the VMCC page on streetstock, but i did notice that page apparently hasnt been updated since approx 2006 or something

ifv you wanna do streetstock get a kr150, or rg150, they are bloody fast {they have double the horse power of your gn250}...and are only about $2500...alot cheaper than ss250

[huff3r]

ifv you wanna do streetstock get a kr150, or rg150, they are bloody fast {they have double the horse power of your gn250}...and are only about $2500...alot cheaper than ss250

Umm, $2500 is a lot more than the 250s ive been looking at, and i've heard that the frame on the 150s is quite small? I'm 6'3" so that doesnt really appeal. Also like the idea of four-stroke reliability (plus i have the skills to rebuild a 4-stroke).

The other concern is i intend to ride it on the road initially, and i dont know if a peaky 2-stroke would be suitable for a 30km daily motorway commute. It'd be a case of dailying it untill i get some decent practice on a sportsbike and get something bigger, then dedicate it to the track.

[woodyracer]

Umm, $2500 is a lot more than the 250s ive been looking at, and i've heard that the frame on the 150s is quite small? I'm 6'3" so that doesnt really appeal. Also like the idea of four-stroke reliability (plus i have the skills to rebuild a 4-stroke).

The other concern is i intend to ride it on the road initially, and i dont know if a peaky 2-stroke would be suitable for a 30km daily motorway commute. It'd be a case of dailying it untill i get some decent practice on a sportsbike and get something bigger, then dedicate it to the track.

ok first of one a ss250 that under $2500 is most likely goin to be unrealible. ss150s are actualy quite big for there engine size, my dad is 6" and he fits on it fine. ss150's are very relible {watercooled ones anyway} they are alot more reliable than an old 250 sportzbike. If you have the skil to rebuild a 4t you deffiinitly have the skills to work on a 2t....

Trying to race and road ride a bike isnt always as good as it seems.....

[huff3r]

ok first of one a ss250 that under $2500 is most likely goin to be unrealible. ss150s are actualy quite big for there engine size, my dad is 6" and he fits on it fine. ss150's are very relible {watercooled ones anyway} they are alot more reliable than an old 250 sportzbike. If you have the skil to rebuild a 4t you deffiinitly have the skills to work on a 2t....

Trying to race and road ride a bike isnt always as good as it seems.....

Ok, cheers for that. I don't intend to road and race at once, just figure i need sportsbike practice before i get a big one, and want a racer so may as well get a small sportsbike i can use as a racer when im done .

Also, the bikes i have been looking at for cheap are ones that have issues, but mostly easy ones. Enough to scare off the misinformed and make the bike ridiculously cheap though, so i still firmly believe that i could get a running, reliable ss250 for about $2 - $2.5k.

However, it seems maybe that isnt the way to go, so i might have to give it some more thought. Lots of very cheap kr150s around at the moment...