New ACC motorcycle levies confirmed

[Mcycle]

Im sticking with plan "B", that is, putting my rego money to one side and riding until its eaten up in fines.

I won't be contributing a cent to ACCs rort, I'd rather pay the courts.

And given that I did 20,000 km last year without being unable to avoid a check, I bet that in 10 years I wont have paid any rego, or paid any fines.

But, even if I lose, I break even.

I like this thinking, and I won't be paying ANY increases..

I'm not impressed by the predictable backdown and attempt to bribe us with 'Educational campaigns.' I'm totally against the cc rating based levies which have no justification in facts.

I'm also v disappointed by the comments by Ixion, if we accept any increases of the type recommended, they are just going to hit us with more each year.

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.' and refuse any increase until a thorough review is underway.

[Iggy]

To Nick (Bullshit) Smith
If you are reading this... you dirty fucker, remember the 81 springbok tour, when your fucking national party split the country down the middle with violent protests. Well good on you for opening a hornets nest pal, coz history is about to repeat itself if you dont pull your head out of your arse....and better make that quick coz every biker is fucked off big time!!!........time is ticking Mr Smith?
From a very pissed off biker!
Iggy

[mikeey01]

I do not like it at all, something stinks here!

Les up to this point you've done a top job, had my absolute respect right up to the roll over bit.

It's bullshit, you know it's bullshit, most others know it's bullshit!

Attributing blame or cost onto motorcycles?
- Some say motorcycles are dangerous and un-safe, therefore we pay more and get an increase.
- If it was a fair system, with a no blame culture, then a fixed amount would be across all road users / registered vehicles.
- Motorcycles are dangerous, therefore we pay more, is this not on it's way to becoming a user pays system?
- ACC levies in your paye are going up, that's across the board, dangerous job or not, it's a fixed increase across the board.
- All registered motorcyclists are getting targeted and the over 600cc bikes are being hit the hardest! There is no other way to look at it.

What grates me is their justification, great figures to go by, a back down, what does the future hold?

It's the same across the board or nothing, end of story.

Bikers Rights, excuse me but.

[rok-the-boat]

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.'

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.'

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.'

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.'

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.'

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.'

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.'

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.'

We need to keep calling for a return to the principles of a 'no fault ACC system.'

[Pixie]

Won't be getting a full year's levy from moi.....

[Pixie]

Confucius say : Cannot refit lid to can of worms

[Pixie]

Kawasaki make a militarised KLR650 with a diesel engine. There are others and they will be increasing in numbers and availability. Diesel engines just need oil that will go bang when you squeeze it.

I knew a girl like that

[Pixie]

You'd better start a new motorcycling lobby group then because the two main players just publicly rolled over.

Provisional BRONZ?
Motorcycle Action Group?
Odysseus?

[Babelfish]

Well, you may be right...

...I may be crazy...but it just may be a LUUUUNATIC your lookin for... (sorry, the mood swung me)

Well, you may be right. I hope not. Perhaps the enormity of the increase may have been the initial motivating factor, but once involved they realised there was more to it?

Yep, this affects more than our biker brethren and it's great that we have the "who's next" portion of the campaign and thus an increase in cunning.

But dont forget how many people turned up on their bikes in Welly. Dont forget how many filled up the grounds of parliament. Each person wanting to show they were pissed off. And I have a feeling if the call came again to repeat the process there would be no fewer bikers.

Paying the amount we are paying above a car now is rubbish, let alone the increase! And still a mountain biker or sports person enterring A&E will be treated from the levvies we pay. And in the 15 years I have been riding I havent claimed ONCE.

It's piss easy to charge someone who recieves medical treatment doing something they dont pay levvies for...."oh is that a broken collar bone from your mountain bike sir? That'll be $33.40 plus $50 admin fee thanks". However it seems just as easy to play the "HOLY FUCK! LOOK HOW MUCH I'M GOING TO CHARGE YOU!....oh no, its ok, its actually only this much" game with gullible bikers.

I say fuck it if people get pissed off with the bikers heading into town again. If they do, the message that bikers are doing this for the greater good isnt getting through.

We shouldnt be backing down an inch when they continue to play with flawed logic.

[caseye]

Liveable, yes, acceptable No!
A 2 year campaign you said Les. I'm still in for that.
From now on though I'll attend any protest that Does directly affect the other motorists out there that Does affect ordinary people going about their daily business, until they get it!
We were first,Who's Next is a happening thing.
We picked it and we fought it, knowing we were going to get a compromise this year.
Next year there will be more ordinary people being affected by ACC Cuts!
Us too, we're now expected to pay more than any other group of motorists and in the coming years we will have our rights and services cut along with those same motorists.
I no longer care about annoying car drivers or Politicians.
From this day forward my bike is parked in a complete car park and God help the arsehole car driver or authority who touch it.
Further, if I am to pay more for the privilage of using the roads I expect more of them ! Ones with bette corners, ones with No Fucking metal on every second corner.
I'm pissed now and everyone who challenges me about being a biker will get an earful like it or not.
The Gloves have just come OFF!

[PhantasmNZ]

you know.... I really hate to say this... but as much as I've been a real supporter of the non-disruptive, bikers-are-your-friends protests, I think the support from Joe Public for these has just gone (or at least is just about to) down the drain..

Without some serious change in direction and focus (and I'm not sure what that is) we're quickly going to end up in a place where are protests are going nowhere - the increases are well targeted to take the hit out of everything we've got as far as the public are concerned.

Press coverage will dwindle, and bikers will become disilusioned about joining a protest - after all if it gets no tv time and ends up with 5cm on page 9 of Harold - who will really feel that they're doing something worthwhile.

onve we don't have the support of the public anyway, disruptive protest may actually BE the only way to get any airtime, even then though - who are we trying to convince of what. We've had no media coverage on how the cc categories don't make sense, and the public don't even see this as anything to get upset about.

To now, Mr and Mrs Public have been sympathetic about ridiculous hikes that nobody in their right mind could accept without making some form of sacrifice. Today the country learned we can afford these new proposals, and as soon as this happened 80% of NZ just concluded the bikers have won $500 down to $175 - good on ya guys, well done for a good protest.

I'll stick with the protest till then end - I don't think it's fair, and I'm not happy - but I know I'm going in to work tomorrow morning with everyone telling me we won - and noone listening to me that we didn't.

[PhantasmNZ]

Liveable, yes, acceptable No!
A 2 year campaign you said Les. I'm still in for that.
From now on though I'll attend any protest that Does directly affect the other motorists out there that Does affect ordinary people going about their daily business, until they get it!

I no longer care about annoying car drivers or Politicians.

The Gloves have just come OFF!

And I think that the coming months will see more bikers coming to similar conclusions - even though I'm not sure the government cares.

[Ixion]

And I think that the coming months will see more bikers coming to similar conclusions - even though I'm not sure the government cares.

Of course they don't care. Who ever suggested they did?

[PhantasmNZ]

Of course they don't care. Who ever suggested they did?

no-one... which highlights the well played card oday - our next actions will either make the public think we're a bunch of moaners, or will trun them against us (disruptions) - and we'll find it hard to get the same profile and influence we've been enjoying thus far...

Of course having just watched the TV1 and TV3 broadcasts, there does appear to be a public hook looming in there - but it may be hard for the 'bikers' to lead the charge - the major newscasts seemed to focus on significant hikes for everyone (LOL at the "huge" $30 cage increase) - and importantly at the "government promised us tax cuts, took them away, then piled tax increases on us"

The "average family will be hit with $350 increase" seems to me as a way to go if only it could be effectively mobilised into a widespread protest..

[drummer]

Hey everyone... take a deep breath..we got noticed and have public support.. it gets harder from here.. ffs... don't let your fists rule... think smart... think tactics... simmer down... I am pissed off and want parity plus fairness as well BUT fight a good fight... not a violent one...

IF you all make the Nats the target with no political nous... guess what... you will lose.... Les is a statesman.. I don't know OR care who he votes for but we need to be apolitical and fight the action of the party at the weakest link...... this is OUR fight and we must be smart

Peter