Excuse me!

[Laxi]

So, we now have the verdict on these levy increases. I have read that BRONZ are ok with this.

ive been out of the loop today.
having just joined bronze I hope thats not true caus mine will be the shortest membership in history if it is

[Hahn]

I have read that BRONZ are ok with this.

What happened to fighting to the end?

When will our next protest be?

Everyone will be heading out of the main cities soon, I bet they wished there weren't so many cars on the road

[Mom]

I agree but with the President of the Ulysess Club condoning the rise as acceptable the motocycling fraternity seem to now be divided and weakened

From a tactical perspective I'd go for another rally at Parliment.

The Theme?? WE WILL BE BACK. That would give BRONZ plenty of time for another rally prior to the next election.

Skyryder

The President of the Ulysess club does not speak for me. I know they have a big membership but they may get stuffed talking on my behalf! Good on them if they are happy to get shafted for levy increases this year, because it wil happen again next year, and the yar after till we are paying the same as the BULLSHIT that was proposed recently. Hells teeth, if they felt that was ok they should have said so in the first place.

Sorry, they dont speak for me at all.

[Mom]

What happened to fighting to the end?

When will our next protest be?

Everyone will be heading out of the main cities soon, I bet they wished there weren't so many cars on the road

Try weekend after next. Read the ACC forum, sticky will follow no doubt.

[crazyhorse]

I am not about to go away.

For me this is, and always has been about the long haul. Apparently we now have really got the message home, we are not facing anywhere near as big a hike as was muted. They listened/we won.

Not as far as I am concerned.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yes it's decreased, but not enough and not for the right reasons

[Mom]

I have always said, it ends in Nov 2011. Two years away.

Some of us are prepared to take it further than that if required.

[Ixion]

Some of us are prepared to take it further than that if required.

Well, the reason for that date is fairly obvious. And if it needs to go beyond that it would have to be a very different fight , because there will not be an ACC to fight about .

So Nov 2011 is by definition the end of this campaign. Either it is won then or there is nothing to fight for.

[Mom]

Well, the reason for that date is fairly obvious. And if it needs to go beyond that it would have to be a very different fight , because there will not be an ACC to fight about .

So Nov 2011 is by definition the end of this campaign. Either it is won then or there is nothing to fight for.

I hear you. You are preaching to the converted here. Lets hear you tell the media that.

[Ixion]

I hear you. You are preaching to the converted here. Lets hear you tell the media that.

The media already know that. Why do you think they are calling todays figures a "victory" , and a "backdown" by the Minister.

Because , if Mr Smith can't push through the increases that Mr Judge demands , then they cannot privatise it. They don't mean that it was a victory for us, in that we got everything we wanted. They mean it was a victory because we (and the others who have been fighting) forced an admission that the country will not stand for the levy increases needed to privatise the scheme. Even after extending the funding date to 2019!
Unless of course, they go the other way and cut enittlements (and thus reduce costs). Since Mr Smith has admitted his inability to force through the necessary levy increases (because of those damned bikers), it's an easy guess what his next step will. Yep, cut entitlements.

We have, not of our choosing , been caught up in something far bigger than just how much bikers pay to register their bikes. That is (largely) why the media have been so fascinated by us : they don't actually give a damn how much rego costs us, but they do realise the implications of the fight.

[mikeey01]

That is (largely) why the media have been so fascinated by us : they don't actually give a damn how much rego costs us, but they do realise the implications of the fight.

Name that media, I better go back and re read their articles, I appear to have mis-read the bull shit they previously wrote, or am I confused with the bullshit I've just read?

[mikeey01]

I'm sorry Les but up to this point mate, you've done a dam fine stirling job and most are proud how far you and a shit load of other people have got us too at this point.

This whole thing sticks and it ain't roses we're smelling fella!

[StoneY]

I am accepting NO levy increase

I will not accept 140$ more on my bikes
I will not allow that fucker Nick Smith to say shit like 'despite bikers refusing to accept....'
I will not roll over and be raped when ACC is not broke, broken, or even in financial straits (coz it aint)

This is a purely NZ system that WORKS and is in good shape, is not broken or broke in either sense of the metaphor

I had the priveledge of sitting down for lunch today with no less than the CEO of a major Govt dept who actually set the rules as to how other govt dept's operate

He says this is wrong...and to keep the protests up coz we ARE making a difference

FUCK NS and fuck accepting 140 instead of 500, I accept NO increase, nothing less and the war continues, I do not care who I offend with this stance

There is more than 140$ per bike at stake here, there is the underlying principles of being a Kiwi, and living in a democracy where the government are MEANT to listen to the people

Roll on Febuary Nick, you aint seen nothing yet

[Laxi]

I am accepting NO levy increase

I will not accept 140$ more on my bikes
I will not allow that fucker Nick Smith to say shit like 'despite bikers refusing to accept....'
I will not roll over and be raped when ACC is not broke, broken, or even in financial straits (coz it aint)

This is a purely NZ system that WORKS and is in good shape, is not broken or broke in either sense of the metaphor

I had the priveledge of sitting down for lunch today with no less than the CEO of a major Govt dept who actually set the rules as to how other govt dept's operate

He says this is wrong...and to keep the protests up coz we ARE making a difference

FUCK NS and fuck accepting 140 instead of 500, I accept NO increase, nothing less and the war continues, I do not care who I offend with this stance

There is more than 140$ per bike at atake here, there is the underlying principles of being a Kiwi, and living in a democracy where the government are MEANT to listen to the people

Roll on Febuary Nick, you aint seen nothing yet

now thats the bronz stance i expect to hear onya stoneY

[mikeey01]

If it's not them mp's to hassle at meetings, work or even on their holidays then it's off to the local ACC offices, give them some too.

Up to this point things have been kid gloves, I reckon it's time for them gloves to come off now, if only a little bit, for now anyway.

Something stinks about this Les, it ain't roses I'm smelling either fella!

[StoneY]

I agree but with the President of the Ulysess Club condoning the rise as acceptable the motocycling fraternity seem to now be divided and weakened

He speaketh not for mew mate the battle continues

The President of the Ulysess club does not speak for me. I know they have a big membership but they may get stuffed talking on my behalf! Good on them if they are happy to get shafted for levy increases this year, because it wil happen again next year, and the yar after till we are paying the same as the BULLSHIT that was proposed recently. Hells teeth, if they felt that was ok they should have said so in the first place.

Sorry, they dont speak for me at all.

A FUCKIN MEN Mom, your my no 1 runner for PM right now

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yes it's decreased, but not enough and not for the right reasons

Bro, damn right well said