Karma perhaps?

[Owl]

I would say I am shocked by the callousness some people on this site display but sadly I am not

Pot, Kettle are two words that spring to mind!

[crazyhorse]

Well, all I can say is.... Karma!

There will be no Merry Christmas for them.

[Fryin Finn]

The kid died doing what he loved most ............theiving
The bike belonged to a friend who will be gutted someone got killed on his bike and killed his bike too

[caseye]

Obviously it's easier to be hardhearted when it's someone we don't know, most people would change their tune if it turned out to be a relative of theirs (especially a close one).
Having said that if each person who has said "no sympathy" can say "I would have said that even if it was my brother or son or daughter" then they can be quite justified in making the comments they have.

I know what you are saying PB.
But seriously It Would Not be One of mine.
We've raised our kids to know Right from bloody Wrong,they would not be on that bike.
It's just my humble opinion but this whole country has gone to Hell in a hand cart because everyone thinks it's someone elses responsibility to raise our kids and instill morals, ethics and the do's and don'ts of daily life.
I've seen this coming and railed against it for many years but I'm only one voice.
So, we've made sure our kids do know right from wrong, they're not perfect by any means but they'd never consider stealing or simply taking something because they didn't own it and wanted one.
Sorry, no ACC for either of em and at least this thief will never make someones elses life a misery again.
Beofre it's said, I do feel pain and sorrow for the family, they may well have treid to make this a good kid and failed, it's not hard here in NZ.No one gives a damn except for themselves.
When was the last time anyone here told a kid off to a standstill for stealing something or pushing a little kid onto the road , or hitting a girl?
Used to happen in my day!
Complete strangers would tear strips off me and my mates for being stupid, then make sure my parents knew about it .
I'd get two wallopings, not asked, "who it was son we'll go stab their bloody tires"!

[PrincessBandit]

I know what you are saying PB.
But seriously It Would Not be One of mine.
.......................

Beofre it's said, I do feel pain and sorrow for the family, they may well have treid to make this a good kid and failed, it's not hard here in NZ.No one gives a damn except for themselves.
When was the last time anyone here told a kid off to a standstill for stealing something or pushing a little kid onto the road , or hitting a girl?
Used to happen in my day!
Complete strangers would tear strips off me and my mates for being stupid, then make sure my parents knew about it .
I'd get two wallopings, not asked, "who it was son we'll go stab their bloody tires"!

Oh, I agree entirely! I could not remotely in my entire lifetime ever contemplate one of ours doing anything like that. And as you have said, for all we know the parents of those involved in that bike crash and death may have done their very best to instill values etc. into their children yet have been dealt this devastating blow.
I myself have said, for example, ACC should not be paid out to people injured while committing criminal acts - and I would stand behind that statement even if it turned out that one of my own children (by some wild stretch of the imagination) ended up in that situation. I wouldn't suddenly change my tune because of who it was.

[Okey Dokey]

Caseye- great post, totally agree.

[crazyhorse]

..............But seriously It Would Not be One of mine.
We've raised our kids to know Right from bloody Wrong,they would not be on that bike.
..................So, we've made sure our kids do know right from wrong, they're not perfect by any means but they'd never consider stealing or simply taking something because they didn't own it and wanted one.

We can teach our children everything..... and what is right or wrong. But they too are individuals, and we cannot in reality say what they would or would not do, despite their upbringing.

I also taught my kids right from wrong, but unfortunately one simple moment of not thinking of the consequences, and taking things into his own hands and confessiing to the police, led my son to get a conviction........ (the other boys would not say anything to the Police and were let off). However, had he thought about it, he would not have taken matters in his own hands, or been so honest to the Police, things would've worked out for him too.

SO I think your comment is a very brave one indeed.

We can only really speak for what we ourselves would not do, we have no control over anyone, despite what we have taught them.

[Bald Eagle]

I know what you are saying PB.
But seriously It Would Not be One of mine.

When was the last time anyone here told a kid off to a standstill for stealing something or pushing a little kid onto the road , or hitting a girl?
Used to happen in my day!
Complete strangers would tear strips off me and my mates for being stupid, then make sure my parents knew about it .
I'd get two wallopings, not asked, "who it was son we'll go stab their bloody tires"!

Absolutely the worlds crying rights without owning responsibility.

I remember those days when all adults and authority figures where treated with respect.

[BMWST?]

you are a hard hearted lot....
he made a bad choice and so did she,but deserved to die....I think not.
That is the sort of thinking that leads to wars,genocide and the like isnt it?

[wbks]

you are a hard hearted lot....
he made a bad choice and so did she,but deserved to die....I think not.
That is the sort of thinking that leads to wars,genocide and the like isnt it?

No. Not at all. But the kind of thinking that says "we all make mistakes he was somebody's son or brother" is the reason that almost every time you hear of someone doing something foul on the news they have just been released on parole not long before. Personal experience speaking on that one and if they all topped themselves before committing major crime the world would be a better place. All of you that feel the need to be a little more "soft hearted" towards him for the simple fact that he was someones relative can get fucked, a bike can be replaced but so can thieving low live pieces of shit like that, who make hard working people's lives difficult. They are actually overstocked with them these days!
If I did something like that I wouldn't think for one second my father would have sympathy for me or expect anyone else to. I'm sure he would grieve like any parent but he would also say something like "he made his own choices and had to deal with them" and if more parents thought like that we would also be better off

[chanceyy]

Having said that if each person who has said "no sympathy" can say "I would have said that even if it was my brother or son or daughter" then they can be quite justified in making the comments they have.

If it was a relative or close friend yes I would still say the same thing .. and I totally agree with Caseye below, I know right from wrong, work hard to get what I have inc my bike. And if he had survived he would have been hit with the wet tissue that is our legal system and would have carried on his ways. Some of the manawatu crowd had seen this guy doing completely dangerous stuff earlier in the day and really its a miracle he only killed himself and not some innocent bystander or worse child

sorry if that seems callous to most ppl, like I said if it was my brother sure I would grieve but he would have brought it on himself.

I know what you are saying PB.
But seriously It Would Not be One of mine.
We've raised our kids to know Right from bloody Wrong,they would not be on that bike.
It's just my humble opinion but this whole country has gone to Hell in a hand cart because everyone thinks it's someone elses responsibility to raise our kids and instill morals, ethics and the do's and don'ts of daily life.
I've seen this coming and railed against it for many years but I'm only one voice.
So, we've made sure our kids do know right from wrong, they're not perfect by any means but they'd never consider stealing or simply taking something because they didn't own it and wanted one.
Sorry, no ACC for either of em and at least this thief will never make someones elses life a misery again.
Beofre it's said, I do feel pain and sorrow for the family, they may well have treid to make this a good kid and failed, it's not hard here in NZ.No one gives a damn except for themselves.
When was the last time anyone here told a kid off to a standstill for stealing something or pushing a little kid onto the road , or hitting a girl?
Used to happen in my day!
Complete strangers would tear strips off me and my mates for being stupid, then make sure my parents knew about it .
I'd get two wallopings, not asked, "who it was son we'll go stab their bloody tires"!

self responsibility and consequences are not things taught anymore ... unfortunately .. lets blame everyone else ..

[Mikkel]

Found pic (and 10 whatever)

That'll buff right out!

you are a hard hearted lot....
he made a bad choice and so did she,but deserved to die....I think not.
That is the sort of thinking that leads to wars,genocide and the like isnt it?

We are all going to die sooner or later, do we deserve that? If you through your actions do your utmost to speed the process along I can't see why anyone should begrudge your choice, nor can I see why anyone should feel bad about you reaping what you've sown.

Sympathy. For the family. For the friends. Yes. For the pillion? I don't know.

I would dare to assume that the operator knew he was on a stolen bike - or breaking more than just petty rules - in order for him to try a runner. Especially since it sounds like the police would have had a very easy time reading his license plate.

All of that aside. Anyone who takes a helmet-less pillion along for a runner is totally bereft of all sense of responsibility.

[sarahtvet]

x 2.......

Obviously it's easier to be hardhearted when it's someone we don't know....... brother or son or daughter" then they can be quite justified in making the comments they have.

totally agree

Pot, Kettle are two words that spring to mind!

Nice of you to have a dig about something you never bothered to get both sides of - supports my comment really, thanks. Lets see what the future holds hey

I know what you are saying PB.
But seriously It Would Not be One of mine.

I truly hope it isn't ever but nice kids do stupid and bad things sometimes and sometimes they get lucky and othertimes they get dead

No one gives a damn except for themselves.
When was the last time anyone here told a kid off to a standstill for stealing something or pushing a little kid onto the road , or hitting a girl?
Used to happen in my day!

Yep but in your day people were encouraged to be honest if they screwed up and were supported to sort it out. Now society prefers to sweep anything ugly under the carpet and hope it will go away. Nobody wants to deal with it so it festers and destroys peoples lives.

There are those who give a damn and have good moral values so lets encourage and support them whenever we can and try an be like them, kids imitate what they see.

[imdying]

Fuck the family, they should have put more effort into raising a worthwhile member of society instead of a piece of shit who steals other peoples hard earned possessions. Let them chew on that a while. If this was always the penalty for stealing bikes, I know I'd be happier about parking it in town whilst doing my Christmas shopping.

[Big Dog]

Perhaps we should be applying an ACC charge to anyone convicted of crime to cover the costs of their misdeads.
Or perhaps ACC should step up and say no matter how accidental the death or injury if it was of an offender in the commital of the crime it is not covered.

Obviously both could not happen because as soon as you levy a group they are entitled at no fault. But, step up ACC.