Boycott The Radio Nework for supporting domestic violence

[Kickaha]

Another – point unless you are able to be balanced and unbiased I suggest you hand in you moderator abilities,,

His status as a moderator doesn't mean he isn't allowed an opinion

[slowpoke]

I don't disagree to the fact that people should forget about Vietch, but are you really comparing tipping a drink over someone or kickin in door panels to a dude stomping on a woman so hard he fractures a bone in her back? I mean, I'm all for equality but theres something very fucked up about your perspective on the matter right now

I was alluding to the way we often see violence as acceptable and they way we are allowed to be violent but others aren't. It was meant to show that even the holier than thou bone pointers on here are capable of or for that matter guilty of assault. Yep, different degrees and all that but when is violence seen as OK in anything other than a self defence situation?

My comparison wasn't about equality, it was about hopefully making some extremely judgemental vanilla people realise they may have also snapped at some point, and maybe they aren't quite as pure as they thought.

I'm comfortable with the fact I know next to nothing about the case and therefore reserve judgement, but the way others seem only too happy to form a hysterical mob to hunt him down based soleyon sensationalist media coverage doesn't sit well at all.

I in no way condone what the bloke did, but I also in no way condone burning him at the cross or persecuting him forever more.

The only difference between Veitch and a rapist is that there was no sex involved.

What the fuck? Have a think about what you've just written there pal.......if you can't see something wrong with that statement then I'm not gonna waste my finger tips spelling it out for ya.......

[SS90]

Now, please don't think wrong of me here, and I will admit that I am not 100% up with the real facts in this case (but who is), but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but I seem to remember recently an All Black having problems with his woman (who laid false claims).

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

Granted, they where having a row, but then he just laid into her?

Hmmmmm,

I don't know about that.

Yes, he is a cunt for what he did, but I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.

Particularly when they feel they need to "punish" you.

[wbks]

I was alluding to the way we often see violence as acceptable and they way we are allowed to be violent but others aren't. It was meant to show that even the holier than thou bone pointers on here are capable of or for that matter guilty of assault. Yep, different degrees and all that but when is violence seen as OK in anything other than a self defence situation?

My comparison wasn't about equality, it was about hopefully making some extremely judgemental vanilla people realise they may have also snapped at some point, and maybe they aren't quite as pure as they thought.

I'm comfortable with the fact I know next to nothing about the case and therefore reserve judgement, but the way others seem only too happy to form a hysterical mob to hunt him down based soleyon sensationalist media coverage doesn't sit well at all.

I in no way condone what the bloke did, but I also in no way condone burning him at the cross or persecuting him forever more.


What the fuck? Have a think about what you've just written there pal.......if you can't see something wrong with that statement then I'm not gonna waste my finger tips spelling it out for ya.......

I don't think people should persecute him based on what they hear through the media either, but I personally believe that woman beating is a step below the normal man "snapping". I guarantee you any dude would beat the crap out of another (or atleast try) if he was pushed far enough, but most DECENT people know when to get the fuck out of there when they are even thinking of KICKING their gf. Inexcusable douche bag, IMO.

[Goblin]

but most DECENT people know when to get the fuck out of there when they are even thinking of KICKING their gf. Inexcusable douche bag, IMO.

Maybe he was trying to "get the fuck out" of his own home when the shrew threw herself on the floor in front of his bedroom door. Maybe she shoulda just got the fuck outa there before she'd wound him up to the point of exploding. It takes two to fight you know...its not as if he just kicked her for the hell of it.
SS90 is right that some women do provoke the hell outa their men and then cry when they get what they get the reaction they asked for. Poor victim!

[wbks]

Maybe he was trying to "get the fuck out" of his own home when the shrew threw herself on the floor in front of his bedroom door. Maybe she shoulda just got the fuck outa there before she'd wound him up to the point of exploding. It takes two to fight you know...its not as if he just kicked her for the hell of it.
SS90 is right that some women do provoke the hell outa their men and then cry when they get what they get the reaction they asked for. Poor victim!

Do you call yourself a "man"? Using "She was asking for it" as an excuse shows that you are a weak person, and as far as I know people don't choose to get their back stomped on, and no he didn't just do it for the hell of it, he did it because he's a fuckin' weak minded worm, just like the people who excuse that kind of behavior by saying "she asked for it".

[Headbanger]

Maybe he was trying to "get the fuck out" of his own home when the shrew threw herself on the floor in front of his bedroom door. Maybe she shoulda just got the fuck outa there before she'd wound him up to the point of exploding. It takes two to fight you know...its not as if he just kicked her for the hell of it.
SS90 is right that some women do provoke the hell outa their men and then cry when they get what they get the reaction they asked for. Poor victim!

So, If I gave you some baseball bat treatment, then just said you were askin for it, You would be cool?

After all, In hindsight I could just give a list of things you "shouda" done to avoid my wrath, so now, You be beat like you deserve, You poor poor victim.

Seriously, Your logic sucks balls, its weak, and its pathetic.

People get provoked everyday, Its up to them as to how they deal with it, Losing your cool with someone you can easily "beat" and then going even further and kicking them in the back why on the ground, That's just scumbag bullshit.

[James Deuce]

Now, please don't think wrong of me here, and I will admit that I am not 100% up with the real facts in this case (but who is), but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but I seem to remember recently an All Black having problems with his woman (who laid false claims).

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

Granted, they where having a row, but then he just laid into her?

Hmmmmm,

I don't know about that.

Yes, he is a cunt for what he did, but I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.

Particularly when they feel they need to "punish" you.

It's irrelevant. There is no defence for permanently injuring someone. What you've written is why NZ has horrific domestic violence stats.

[Headbanger]

Woohoo, Aint it awesome we can take time even on Christmas day to continue the Veitch woman bash debate.

I'm going back out to the swimming pool

[Ronin]

Now, please don't think wrong of me here, and I will admit that I am not 100% up with the real facts in this case (but who is), but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but I seem to remember recently an All Black having problems with his woman (who laid false claims).

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

Granted, they where having a row, but then he just laid into her?

Hmmmmm,

I don't know about that.

Yes, he is a cunt for what he did, but I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.

Particularly when they feel they need to "punish" you.

Two words:

Walk Away

100% guaranteed to solve any situation where you feel someone is winding you up.

[MSTRS:Me]

Do you call yourself a "man"?

You are soooo gonna regret that...

Walk Away

Good advice. Not always possible to do, though.


Someone said we'll never know the full story. Very true. No-one else was there, were they?
However, something happened. It's over. He's been 'dealt with', apparently to the satisfaction of the parties involved and the law.
Move on.

[wbks]

You are soooo gonna regret that...



Good advice. Not always possible to do, though.


Someone said we'll never know the full story. Very true. No-one else was there, were they?
However, something happened. It's over. He's been 'dealt with', apparently to the satisfaction of the parties involved and the law.
Move on.

Meh, knob goblin sounds like a female anyway, and I was partly trollin

[Genie]

Maybe he was trying to "get the fuck out" of his own home when the shrew threw herself on the floor in front of his bedroom door. Maybe she shoulda just got the fuck outa there before she'd wound him up to the point of exploding. It takes two to fight you know...its not as if he just kicked her for the hell of it.
SS90 is right that some women do provoke the hell outa their men and then cry when they get what they get the reaction they asked for. Poor victim!

I'm going to get hell for saying this, oh well.
But, there are people out there, men and woman, who do like that scenerio. We all have our own "quirks". No body should ever hit another, but it happens, some like it some don't! We're all different.

I wasn't in the room when their shit went down, but, it happens, probably happening right now in behind somebody else's door.

We all have an 'explosion' point, Tony found his, hope he never goes near it again.

[Winston001]

.........but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but.....

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.

You raise a good point which has been researched, but naturally I can't find a link.

First off I don't condone violence against anyone. I'm also lucky that I don't feel that level of anger. Nevertheless there are some fundamental differences between men's and women's abilities to express themselves.

Women are simply better with words. They have an intuition which allows them to pick out personal weaknesses and twist. Men - well, we are a bit slow on the uptake. Generally we don't deliberately use hurtful words because if we are that angry, we lash out or walk away. Plus if we are angry the brain's CPU closes down and conversation is redundant.

Today, men are socialised to walk away from domestic disputes - except for egos like Veitch. Somewhat oddly this leads to women complaining that men won't communicate - they simply leave. There is a complete disconnect of perspective here and as I understand it, family counsellors have to explain to women this is the safe way guys handle stress and rage.

Ultimately no provocation can justify Veitch's actions and the reason I continue to view him with contempt is his public pronouncements have been "poor Tony, gimme a break"........

You are soooo gonna regret that...

LOL just what I was thinking.

[98tls]

Now, please don't think wrong of me here, and I will admit that I am not 100% up with the real facts in this case (but who is), but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but I seem to remember recently an All Black having problems with his woman (who laid false claims).

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

Granted, they where having a row, but then he just laid into her?

Hmmmmm,

I don't know about that.

Yes, he is a cunt for what he did, but I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.

Particularly when they feel they need to "punish" you.

Can imagine Mr Weatherston lying back on his bunk feeling quite justified after reading that.