One for Patrick to answer maybe?

[Movistar]

So if i get done with a bigger fine and more demerits, Can i quote what you said or point them in the direction of this thread and tell them that YOU said that??

Really at the end of the day (or beginning if you prefer) if you break the 'law' and get court - do the time.

If you get over charged 'cause the boy (or girl) in blue is having a bad hair day - take it to caught.

(See how I used two words the same but spelt differently in there wrong context - their's a word for that...not dyslexia!) (Shit - I did it again...spell check won't pick that one up!)

[Patrick]

So if i get done with a bigger fine and more demerits, Can i quote what you said or point them in the direction of this thread and tell them that YOU said that??

Yeah. Or take it up with LTNZ who look after the licenses/demerit thing....

[rastuscat]

Look beyond the fines and the demerits.

If you are in breach of any condition apart from the L plate one, the plod can now forbid you from riding until you comply.

This is to get past the absurdity of seeing a person on a 600 with a 6L ride away with the ticket in hand.

So, get stopped riding a bike that's too big, and expect to have your keys taken, coz now they can.

Hows them apples???????????

[MSTRS:Me]

In some instances that'd be a very good thing. I would hope there is some discretion applied tho...not everyone on a too big bike on a 6L is unable to control it.
There are a few (for instance) that have ridden for years without a licence, and are just now going through the GLS. Or have never sat the next step. Etc.
So, on balance, I find those apples give me a slight guts ache.

[Ixion]

It wasn't really aimed at bikes, though as always we get caught too.

EDIT: And it's discretionary "Enforcement officer *may* " etc

[Hopeful Bastard]

Hence why i am staying on a 250.. Anything bigger and i know well and truely that i will lose the keys to that...

[avgas]

It's business as usual. The worse the attitude from the stoppee, the harder the stopper one looks. A warning for a breach, perhaps a ticket for one offence (even though multiples were committed) by someone with good attitude, or writers cramp for those with a bad attitude.

Fancy new computor cars????

Not down here.

Not YET.....
Good to hear that you are still doing things the old way. Unfortunately it is only my hope that you are allowed to continue to do so.
I have seen some scary arrangements by Police management lately. Would hate for it to actually trickle down to you guys on the front-line.

[avgas]

Hence why i am staying on a 250.. Anything bigger and i know well and truely that i will lose the keys to that...

Not so true. What about GB400/500 - CB400......there are hundreds of bikes bigger than a 250 that do sane speeds. But give you the advantage of a bike with a bit more poke.

[Patrick]

Look beyond the fines and the demerits.

If you are in breach of any condition apart from the L plate one, the plod can now forbid you from riding until you comply.

This is to get past the absurdity of seeing a person on a 600 with a 6L ride away with the ticket in hand.

So, get stopped riding a bike that's too big, and expect to have your keys taken, coz now they can.

Hows them apples???????????

Where is this? Had someone ask this exact question just theother day and I said I would look it up.... Dunno where to start (computor illiterate, you see.....)Them apples is all good......

[Patrick]

Not YET.....
Good to hear that you are still doing things the old way. Unfortunately it is only my hope that you are allowed to continue to do so.
I have seen some scary arrangements by Police management lately. Would hate for it to actually trickle down to you guys on the front-line.

Can't take away the discretion. Never can, really.... but 1 ticket in 1 hour could be raised...???

[red mermaid]

Where is this? Had someone ask this exact question just theother day and I said I would look it up.... Dunno where to start (computor illiterate, you see.....)Them apples is all good......

Its there Patrick, part of the new amendment, and as said previously it is discretionary, although if you give someone I ticket for the offence I would be looking strongly at taking there keys as well.

[rastuscat]

Where is this? Had someone ask this exact question just theother day and I said I would look it up.... Dunno where to start (computor illiterate, you see.....)Them apples is all good......

It's in the recent amendment to the Road User Rule.

So much fun too. We used to write a $400 ticket for unauthorized passengers, then watch them drive away still with unauthorized passengers. Ridiculous.

Now we get to say "Oh yeah, you lot all get out, or he gets arrested". You see, there is a power of arrest if you forbid the driver, then he does it again. It takes the smile off the little darlings faces.

PM me your QID, I'll email you the new stuff when I'm next at work.

[rastuscat]

New section 121A inserted
The following section is inserted after section 121:
“121A Enforcement officer may give directions or immobilise vehicle if driver breaches certain licence conditions
“(1) An enforcement officer may exercise all or any of the powers conferred by subsection (2) if the enforcement officer believes on reasonable grounds that a person who is for the time being in charge of a motor vehicle has, in relation to a prescribed class of motor vehicle, breached any condition of a class 1 or class 6 learner licence or a restricted licence held by that person.
“(2) The enforcement officer may—
“(a) forbid the person to drive a motor vehicle until that person is able to comply with the conditions of that person's learner licence or restricted licence:
“(b) direct the person to drive to a specified place (for example, the person's home):
“(c) take possession of all ignition or other keys of the vehicle, and for that purpose require the person to deliver up immediately all such keys:
“(d) take any steps that may be necessary to make the motor vehicle immobile or to move the motor vehicle to a place where it does not constitute a traffic hazard.
“(3) An enforcement officer may arrest without warrant a person who fails to comply with a power exercised under subsection (2).
“(4) The power to take possession under subsection (2)(c) or to immobilise or move under subsection (2)(d) continues until—
“(a) the driver is able to drive the vehicle without breaching the conditions of that driver's licence; or
“(b) another person is able to drive the vehicle without breaching—
“(i) that person's licence:
“(ii) any enactment.”

[kwaka_crasher]

$200 and 35 demerits. As a matter of policy (not law) the police only apply demerits to one offence in a multi offence stop. But the fines are cumulative.

Matter of law actually. Land Transport Act 1998, 88 (3).

If a person is convicted of 2 or more offences arising out of the same set of circumstances,—
(a) Demerit points must be recorded in relation to 1 offence only; and
(b) If those offences do not carry the same number of points, points must be recorded for the offence or 1 of the offences that carries the greatest number of points.

[Tone165]

Can't take away the discretion. Never can, really.... but 1 ticket in 1 hour could be raised...???

To me it seems the same thing.....if you are expected to write a certain quantity, based on what other Offrs do........

A question I want to ask......here in Qld, it is blatantly obvious to anyone that "speeding" is the focus...its easy to detect, profitable (over here 120 on a 100k hiway will get you $333.00 and 4 points out of your 12)

Meanwhile you see ppl puttering along in the fast lane at 10k under, caravans and campervans blocking roads with dozens of veh trapped behind, erratic lane changes with no head checks or indication..and my personal fave..ppl texting while driving...none of which seem to interest the Police.

Is there a certain expectation that you would catch a certain number of offenders in any given time frame? and do you have a plan beforehand...like OK lads..lets focus on "keep left" today..or dodgey looking vehicles (safety) or lane changing...or is it just sit there with radar looking for speeders?