Te Kuiti cop: taking him 2 court

[Ronin]

Please do not direct or spread your vile, unwanted, negative diatribe on nameless message boards to those that are not able to defend themselves.

Anyone else see the irony in rstic telling DB how he should behave on the forum?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...6&postcount=18

[Jantar]

...It might appear that way but I can assure you there is nothing special about traffic infringement prosecutions. The burden of proof is with the police who have to produce evidence to convince the judge. From time to time these charges are dismissed because the officer isn't available. ....

In an earlier version of the Summary Proceedings act section 21 it used to say words to the effect that "It shall be a defence if the defendant proves that no such offence has taken place." This placed the burden of proof squarely on the defendant.

That section has in recent years been removed and now the only defence allowed is:
10) In any proceedings for an infringement offence for which an infringement notice has been issued—

(a) It shall be a defence if the defendant proves that the infringement fee for the offence has been paid to the informant at the address specified in the notice before or within 28 days after service on the defendant of a reminder notice in respect of the offence:

(b) It shall not be a defence that the infringement fee for the offence has been paid otherwise than as referred to in paragraph (a) of this subsection.

Under this section it is not even a defence to show that no offence occured. As long as a ToN has been issued it is deemed that the defendant is guilty.

[Patrick]

Hahhaah and the award for most naieve post ever goes to... ^!

Your word counts for nothing in a court of law. The police officer's word is fact. You are a filthy criminal. Have experienced it first hand. But I kept fighting, and eventually the police gave up and I won.

And all cops are like this.... ay.....

Bullshit.

What happens is, the pigs pull you up and run the "attitude test" on you, which means they waste your time, blah blah, rant rave spit and spew.....

NO. It means we walk up and speak to you. Attitude test goes like this....

"Fuck you pig" gets you the ticket you were stopped for.. ie: bad attitude.

"My bad, I was wrong" gets the warning that can be issued instead of the ticket ie : good attitude....

[Muppet]

All you bush lawyers saying from your 'personal experience' cops lie in court blah blah blah How many tickets are you boys getting that gets you all this court experience? You want to slow down you do, you'll do yourself some mischief.

[CookMySock]

NO. It means we walk up and speak to you. Attitude test goes like this....

"Fuck you pig" gets you the ticket you were stopped for.. ie: bad attitude.

"My bad, I was wrong" gets the warning that can be issued instead of the ticket ie : good attitude....

Uh huh. Well some cops have the knack of incoveniencing, irritating, inadvertantly accusing, and other near-undetectable little piss offs, that just trip a motorist into crossing that line, followed by their own attitude detector being just a touch finely tuned.

You see the same type of trolling and offence-taking on KB all the time, and some cops just seem to need it.

The bottom line is, its not in your job description to conduct any such test. If the person has taken some action which is not only clearly in breach, but also has risks to others attached, then just write the ticket out and walk away. If it's an administrative thing (RUC 1k over etc) tell him to go rectify it and that you will be looking out for him so sort it out. If his wheels didn't compleeeeetely stop turning at that compulsory stop (I have seen three cop cars in succession roll straight through) , then reprimand him and let him go.

I have a responsibility not to interfere with others' rights and freedoms, and I intend to take that responsibility seriously. The same applies in reverse, and a little respect from the police regarding that wouldn't go astray, and completely put out of your mind rorting the law for your your own ego and/or financial gain, as you have seen happen to a certain young fella recently - I think even you found those actions immoral.

All you bush lawyers saying from your 'personal experience' cops lie in court blah blah blah How many tickets are you boys getting that gets you all this court experience? You want to slow down you do, you'll do yourself some mischief.

It's more the large amount of distance covered by those who have been on the road for 25 years plus - it's impossible not to have some type of contact with the fuzz.


Steve

[naphazoline]

This makes for some quite good,even comical reading in parts.
Other parts are hard to read.

But one thing that always amuses me,is the people preaching to others to slow down,all seem to have either quite large capacity,or speed capable bikes.

Why is this necessary if they are never speeding?
Can't be too good for some of those big bikes to be laboured at 100kmh all the time.
Might as well trade down to make sure.

[Tank]

a few points (despite this being about a year old).

Starting with the OP - You were not taking him to court - he is taking you because you are trying to defend yourself. There is a difference - you are the accused not he.

Secondly - as is often the case with the big tough typing mouthy bastards. You note that the rarely come back and say "yay - I won" - nope - nothing but a internet full of silence and a big assed fail on them as they pay ups anyway.

Thirdly - In years to come people are going to look back on DB's post and say "yep - the warning signs were all there - delusional rants, unhealthy obsession with farm animals, total lack of grip on reality. We should have seen it coming"

[Muppet]

Thirdly - In years to come people are going to look back on DB's post and say "yep - the warning signs were all there - delusional rants, unhealthy obsession with farm animals, total lack of grip on reality. We should have seen it coming"

Yes it always starts with cruelty to animals, then lighting small fires.........

[StoneY]

Entertaining thread this one

Im waiting my new copy of the old classes 1,2,3,4,5,6 to come in the post

28 days ended on the 16th, started 2 days after the BIKEOI

Pay ya fine, get over it
Choose to speed, 106 or 115 makes no difference
Only time worth squealing is when they take ya bike, and even then ask yourself, was that cop who impounded my bike a prick?
NO he was an employee doing his job

Speeding is wrong, I choose to do it and KNOW I am doing it when I am so pay ya fine, quit crying and try avoid the Sherrif of Rodney with the flame red hair when next passing his known lair

In the first post hes admitting 'blipping' past a car, and returning to 106kms (on his speedo)
The BLIP must have been well over 115 so stop crying you bloody pussy, pay the fine and get over it....I did

[Tank]

The BLIP must have been well over 115 so stop crying you bloody pussy, pay the fine and get over it....I did

The accountability is strong in this one.



top man

[DEATH_INC.]

Anyone know how s/d got on?

As for all you other clowns that think there is justice in NZ, good luck when you come back to the real world.
I've been personally dicked 4 times (prosecuted twice, had the charges dropped after spending a shitload of money twice) and have seen my partner dicked by them too. (done for doing 130 something, when I was right behind her doing about 105).
GET REAL!!!!

[Highlander]

It's more the large amount of distance covered by those who have been on the road for 25 years plus - it's impossible not to have some type of contact with the fuzz.

I agree.
Though in the 25 years I have been riding / driving Ihave yet to be stopped for anything other than routine breath tests / WOF / Reg checks. I have no experience of these obnoxious folks in Police uniforms you all seam so excited about.
I sincerely hope that when the day comes that one sees fit to present me with a ticket I'll be big enough to take it in the wallet and get on with my life.

[scumdog]

I agree.
Though in the 25 years I have been riding / driving Ihave yet to be stopped for anything other than routine breath tests / WOF / Reg checks. I have no experience of these obnoxious folks in Police uniforms you all seam so excited about.
I sincerely hope that when the day comes that one sees fit to present me with a ticket I'll be big enough to take it in the wallet and get on with my life.

Kiinda sums up my experience too- and no, I didn't always do the job (was a freezing worker for 20 years or so) and once out of town I'm just another dude on a bike/in a car/ in a hot-rod so it's not like I have some sort of immunity or something.

[CookMySock]

I sincerely hope that when the day comes that one sees fit to present me with a ticket I'll be big enough to take it in the wallet and get on with my life.

Yup thats the way of it, until they pull you up and angrily corner you for something that you were not remotely associated with, or some clown knocks you off your bike and turns out to be a cop.. watch everyone go real silent there..

Again, if I couldn't afford to speed then I wouldn't. It's being set up for other crap thats the problem, and that's not usually been the highway patrol. Like, $900 and a conviction for nudging a car in a car park..

Steve

[gatch]

Yup thats the way of it, until they pull you up and angrily corner you for something that you were not remotely associated with, or some clown knocks you off your bike and turns out to be a cop.. watch everyone go real silent there..

Again, if I couldn't afford to speed then I wouldn't. It's being set up for other crap thats the problem, and that's not usually been the highway patrol. Like, $900 and a conviction for nudging a car in a car park..

Steve

If I was a cop and pulled you up for doing something dumb, I'd only be too happy to rant, rave, spit and spew at you, then throw the book at you. Mostly because you seem like a know it all, arrogant fuckwit.

Alternatively haul you off your bike, or out of your car and give you a good beating, then challenge you to prove it in court.

I'd make a good cop aye. Aye.