What a knob: Came off today

[YellowDog]

Hey PD, sorry to hear this bad news.

Glad you are OK.

Can you give us a heads up as to the specific corner?

So far as learing from it joking aside we all know you can ride your bike. You were probably just a bit too relaxed a took you mind off the task.

Certainly letting your clutch out too quickly without blipping up the engine speed is going to make you vulnerable to any surface imperfections.

Have a go at clutchless up and down shifting. Hopefully you will master it before stripping your gearbox and you will never have such gear change issues again.

Fingers crossed on the repair bill.

Good luck.

[SPP]

Negative, I did not break at all... If I had breaked hard while in the corner I could have straightened up and run off the road, or quite possible high sided (which is much worse than a low side).

Aaaah i see, you were already in the corner when you downshifted....

[p.dath]

Along with having not blipped the throttle enough, do u think you've let the clutch out too abruptly?

Nope. Just not enough gas. Letting the clutch out more slowly would have still caused a rear wheel lock.

Falling off is fun isn't it. You should have a go at pocketbike racing sometime. You can fall off on every corner if you like, and its pretty hard to hurt yourself, or the bike.

Have often thought about the bucket racing. I think it would be a lot of fun. Maybe later this year ...

after reading your thursday or was it sunday post about the ride you had just done..........i have to say im not surprised p.dath............take it to the track mate
happy your not hurt and didnt add to the ACC stats tho......

I do attend AMCC ART track days regularly ...

Will your insurance pay for any repairs?

I do have full insurance, but the repair costs wont be great, so it is not worth a claim.

[p.dath]

Can you give us a heads up as to the specific corner?

Alas I had not ridden this road before, and wouldn't be able to say which corner it was. The corner itself was not dangerous.

So far as learing from it joking aside we all know you can ride your bike. You were probably just a bit too relaxed a took you mind off the task.

There is probably some truth in that. I had been out for a great ride up to that point. I was nice and relaxed on the bike.

Have a go at clutchless up and down shifting. Hopefully you will master it before stripping your gearbox and you will never have such gear change issues again.

I think there is some truth here. People say clutchless shifting is not that worthwhile because it only saves you 500ms or whatever, and if your not racing why bother. However I notice on my bike it smooths out the power delivery a lot. I have started clutchless shifting a lot more recently, but don't always do it as a matter of practice.

Perhaps I'll consider your advice further and make it more a matter of course.

Aaaah i see, you were already in the corner when you downshifted....

Well, I was down shifting just before the entry of the corner, not actually in the corner. But it left me with a rear wheel lock up entering into the corner with the back end snaking left and right.

[steve_t]

Just having a quick look around the net. Do a lot of the Honda's pre 2009 not have slipper clutches?

[p.dath]

Just having a quick look around the net. Do a lot of the Honda's pre 2009 not have slipper clutches?

Isn't that more common in the larger 1000cc bikes? Would have solved my problem today ...

[CHOPPA]

Even the new cbr600s dont have slipper clutches.... Sounds like an easy mistake, i did a similar thing today missed a downshift and when i finally got it i was mid way through the corner and it stepped out but i got lucky!

[steve_t]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipper_clutch

[CHOPPA]

And thats with a slipper clutch set to maximum slip!

[Bikemad]

I do attend AMCC ART track days regularly ...

hmmm..........perhaps you should leave it at the track then

[Mom]

I don't think it's that had to lock the rear end up by failing to blip. I'm not sure what revs I was at. May 9k (by the sound), red line at 13.5k. Was changing down near the entry of the corner to maintain positive throttle while cornering while maintaining the same speed (was happy with my entry speed). I tend to use higher revs entering a corner so I can power out easily.

Blip the throttle? Dont get me wrong I fully understand what you are talking about and use that from time to time myself, but it is not something I do every corner, every time. I ride a robust IL4, that has huge engine braking. I use that engine braking all the time. Interesting comment about maintaining high revs entering a corner so you can power out easily, I tend to enter a corner at a speed that I know I can power out of, selecting the correct gear is paramount for this to happen.

It sounds to me like you compression locked your rear wheel by changing down very quickly and dropping the clutch in the process ( I see where the throttle blip is important in your riding style) May I respectfully suggest you engage the services of a mentor and get some riding tips and advice on how to smoothly select the correct gear to approach a corner that allows you to power through and exit cleanly without "blipping" and heaven forbid biting the tarmac. I would be happy to go for a ride with you, but there is an active mentor program on KB you should perhaps investigate. Look for the :Me after names and you are away

Glad to hear you are unscathed.

[Ixion]

Sorry, but NO in line four has "huge engine braking." Or , indeed , any significant degree of engine braking at all. A big single, yes. A V twin , maybe . A four, no. A change down on an IL4 without blipping is possible. On a single or twin, no, not so.

[stify]

Blip the throttle? Dont get me wrong I fully understand what you are talking about and use that from time to time myself, but it is not something I do every corner, every time. I ride a robust IL4, that has huge engine braking. I use that engine braking all the time. Interesting comment about maintaining high revs entering a corner so you can power out easily, I tend to enter a corner at a speed that I know I can power out of, selecting the correct gear is paramount for this to happen.

It sounds to me like you compression locked your rear wheel by changing down very quickly and dropping the clutch in the process ( I see where the throttle blip is important in your riding style) May I respectfully suggest you engage the services of a mentor and get some riding tips and advice on how to smoothly select the correct gear to approach a corner that allows you to power through and exit cleanly without "blipping" and heaven forbid biting the tarmac. I would be happy to go for a ride with you, but there is an active mentor program on KB you should perhaps investigate. Look for the :Me after names and you are away

Glad to hear you are unscathed.

you are far too polite..see ya's 2moro all goin well

[Mom]

you are far too polite..see ya's 2moro all goin well

Why thank yee Sir

Yeah, we are home, look forward to giving you a big of a hug

[stify]

Sorry, but NO in line four has "huge engine braking." Or , indeed , any significant degree of engine braking at all. A big single, yes. A V twin , maybe . A four, no. A change down on an IL4 without blipping is possible. On a single or twin, no, not so.

bollocks...my inline 4 has plenty of engine braking...maybe not as much as the v twin i had but plenty enough to lock a rear when I'm feeling frisky