Assaults on police and the penalty thereof

**scumdog** · 28th February 2010, 15:08

Originally Posted by tri boy

Well, who's a little name caller then?
Have you met peasea?
Thats what I thought.
Toss pot.

Peasea is a toss pot?

**tri boy** · 28th February 2010, 15:11

Originally Posted by scumdog

Peasea is a toss pot?

Nah, but he has probably tossed a bit of pot around

**jahrasti** · 28th February 2010, 15:11

Originally Posted by scumdog

Peasea is a toss pot?

Thats senior toss pot according to him.

**tri boy** · 28th February 2010, 15:24

Bottom line on this particular case is, the copper misjudged the very real danger he was in, and got dealt to.
No need for a law change to hide the fact of incompetence in this situation.

**scumdog** · 28th February 2010, 15:27

Originally Posted by tri boy

Bottom line on this particular case is, the copper misjudged the very real danger he was in, and got dealt to.
No need for a law change to hide the fact of incompetence in this situation.

misjudged = incompetence eh??

**tri boy** · 28th February 2010, 15:42

Misjudged-walked into a fight with numerous people without weighing up the "Your Nicked sunshine" ratio against "I'm going to get the shit kicked outta me" possibility, and judged it wrong.

Incompetence-by not knowing how, or even trying to weigh the ratio closer in his favor.

Not saying he deserved it. But he did plain old f**k up.
No law change required.

On a side note, I got mixed up in a huge(80+) brawl outside the Overlander roadhouse just outside Pt Hedland in the 90's. Abbos against Construction workers. Scary shit.
Did the dozen or so coppers attending wade in? Hell no. They sat back until most of the brawlers were worn out with fighting, then took control and made arrests. Smart Ockers

**red mermaid** · 28th February 2010, 18:30

Expect a knock on the door soon as it is obvious with your indepth knowledge of the situation, as posted, you will be required as a witness.

Originally Posted by tri boy

Misjudged-walked into a fight with numerous people without weighing up the "Your Nicked sunshine" ratio against "I'm going to get the shit kicked outta me" possibility, and judged it wrong.

Incompetence-by not knowing how, or even trying to weigh the ratio closer in his favor.

Not saying he deserved it. But he did plain old f**k up.
No law change required.

On a side note, I got mixed up in a huge(80+) brawl outside the Overlander roadhouse just outside Pt Hedland in the 90's. Abbos against Construction workers. Scary shit.
Did the dozen or so coppers attending wade in? Hell no. They sat back until most of the brawlers were worn out with fighting, then took control and made arrests. Smart Ockers

**tri boy** · 28th February 2010, 18:31

They don't pay enough. Thats why fools n monkeys are employed:-/

**scumdog** · 28th February 2010, 19:27

Originally Posted by tri boy

On a side note, I got mixed up in a huge(80+) brawl outside the Overlander roadhouse just outside Pt Hedland in the 90's. Abbos against Construction workers. Scary shit.
Did the dozen or so coppers attending wade in? Hell no. They sat back until most of the brawlers were worn out with fighting, then took control and made arrests. Smart Ockers

Walk to a fight and run to a fire......works for me

**Swoop** · 1st March 2010, 08:12

Originally Posted by scumdog

Damn right, I like your style!

Serious question Scummy: Would you give a pistol to every member of the police force?
Not "some" but all police. We all know that there is a range of "competencies" of officers and some would not be suitable to be armed with anything more than a radio and flashlight...

Originally Posted by peasea

If you get one I want one too.

Then what?

Interesting statement. I have a friend who is a highly respected member of the general community. He has stated that "when it's too dangerous in public, that a policeman has to carry a firearm, then I'll be doing the same". He is quite serious.

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

I would be willing to stake my life on that bet-that in 5 years after full and constant gun carrying [i.e every copper carrys a side arm, visible and constant], more coppers will die. [look to the USA for confirmation!

What certainly will increase, is the amount of police firearms that "disappear" or end up in the wrong hands. Our police force already lose a few firearms every year.

**SixPackBack** · 1st March 2010, 09:02

Originally Posted by scumdog

The one difference being the freedom to carry a pistol that the Yanks have and we do not, ergo slightly less pistls being carried.

And If I get shot dead who's to worry? - not me....

In all seriousness I'm sure your family and friends would be devastaed.......would certainly upset me.

**Dave Lobster** · 1st March 2010, 09:06

Originally Posted by Swoop

What certainly will increase, is the amount of police firearms that "disappear" or end up in the wrong hands. Our police force already lose a few firearms every year.

Does the army?

Whoops.. defence force..

**Mikkel** · 1st March 2010, 09:59

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

An argument could be forwarded that more coppers will die when carrying guns and not less. I would be willing to stake my life on that bet-that in 5 years after full and constant gun carrying [i.e every copper carrys a side arm, visible and constant], more coppers will die. [look to the USA for confirmation!]

As a counter point I'll draw forth Denmark (and many other European countries I suppose) - the police have been carrying firearms for decades, still there aren't exactly a lot of armed confrontations. Sure the bikies and drug gangs can get their hands on the hardware, but it isn't readily available. There has recently been a period with gangs fighting over drug distribution which involved some shootings around Copenhagen, but that stands out as the extreme exception.

Originally Posted by chucky19

Double the penalty for assaulting police - you cannot have order without fear of authority.

You can not have enslavement with out fear of authority, I won't contest that. But you can most definitely have order without fear of authority. This whole idea of fear is going backwards, not forwards.

Originally Posted by peasea

That's bollocks. I think the word you're looking for is 'respect'.

Respect is earned and no amount of legislation will change that.

Yep.