Sketchy wins first 600 race at Manfeild

**blossomsowner** · 1st March 2010, 20:40

Originally Posted by Sketchy_Racer

Thanks for the support guys, it was a amazing weekend for us just unfortunately tarnished by some questionable judgement.

I think the photo that andrew has posted shows all in the fact that everyone has moved at the same time so unless the whole field bar 1 or two people who look a little slow off the start jumped, I am failing to see how only two people can be picked out. Take from it what you will everyone is entitled to their opinion.

As a side note and this is purely my opinion - James Smith did not jump the start. The view I got was that he just got an absolute blinder of a start, and as far as I know getting a great start isn't against the rules!

Cheers,

-Glen

congrats on the racing..........
saw you practicing at hampton downs ride day a week or so back.............

looking forward to the racing there too. Judging from what my half-arsed lap timing was showign you will do real well.
good luck

**Rcktfsh** · 1st March 2010, 20:56

Interwiew after qualifying.

http://nzsbk.blogspot.com/2010/02/gl...-comments.html

**Gareth51** · 1st March 2010, 21:17

No mater what the outcome Glen that was one awesome ride, keep that up and there will be no doubt where your heading.All the best for Hampton Downs

**Robert Taylor** · 1st March 2010, 21:26

Originally Posted by Bren_chch

so i'm guessing the riders that complained about the start were on the 2nd row? lol

baaahahahaha

Those that complained included some that were struggling with ultimate competitiveness on that weekend, certainly yes. Thats often how people have reacted since time immemorial.

Congratulations Glenn, you did Suzuki, Continental, Ohlins, CKT and Ozzy Racing proud, I hope your career goes from strength to strength. Whether you jumped the start or not no-one was going to beat you ON THE TRACK.

Best wishes Jamie for a speedy recovery

**MSTRS:Me** · 2nd March 2010, 07:44

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

Unless you were there watching i dont think you should comment on the jump start situation....

I saw the yellow flag pass incident aswell and it comes down to interpretation of the rule...

Are you aloud to pass after the incident or after the next un-yellow flag point? One could argue how do you not know theres 2 incidents etc

If (and it seems it could be either way) there was a jump start by any rider, it would be noted immediately by officials, either on the Start/Finish or upstairs. Out on the flag points, we hear the radio calls reporting such jumps before the bikes even reach Turn 1. Jump starts 'reported' later by gridded rider/s should be taken with a grain of salt. Surely the riders are all watching the lights, which being fairly high, means they won't really be able to see more than the grid in front of them?
So what point was the yellow incident on?
Apart from the red flag, any displayed flag covers until the next marshal point that is NOT displaying.

**MSTRS:Me** · 2nd March 2010, 07:51

Originally Posted by Kickaha

AJ isn't very fast moving at the best of times

Except when there's one beer left and another contender for it....

**CHOPPA** · 2nd March 2010, 07:52

Originally Posted by MSTRS

If (and it seems it could be either way) there was a jump start by any rider, it would be noted immediately by officials, either on the Start/Finish or upstairs. Out on the flag points, we hear the radio calls reporting such jumps before the bikes even reach Turn 1. Jump starts 'reported' later by gridded rider/s should be taken with a grain of salt. Surely the riders are all watching the lights, which being fairly high, means they won't really be able to see more than the grid in front of them?
So what point was the yellow incident on?
Apart from the red flag, any displayed flag covers until the next marshal point that is NOT displaying.

I was talking about the yellow flag rule nothing to do with the jump start, someone passed under a yellow, it was after the incident but not after the next flag point, what is the ruling on that?

**MSTRS:Me** · 2nd March 2010, 07:57

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

I was talking about the yellow flag rule nothing to do with the jump start, someone passed under a yellow, it was after the incident but not after the next flag point, what is the ruling on that?

As I said, a displayed yellow covers the track ahead to the next marshal point. If that point does not have a yellow out, then the track is clear from there. I guess the rule book can clarify whether open racing continues after that point. I ask again, if you saw a yellow passing incident, what point was it on?

**lukemillar** · 2nd March 2010, 08:07

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

I was talking about the yellow flag rule nothing to do with the jump start, someone passed under a yellow, it was after the incident but not after the next flag point, what is the ruling on that?

I thought it was until you passed a green flag at the next marshall point indicating it's clear. However, reading the rules on MNZ, doesn't say anything like that!

**k14** · 2nd March 2010, 08:08

Originally Posted by MSTRS

As I said, a displayed yellow covers the track ahead to the next marshal point. If that point does not have a yellow out, then the track is clear from there. I guess the rule book can clarify whether open racing continues after that point. I ask again, if you saw a yellow passing incident, what point was it on?

Looking at the timing sheets John Ross was penalised 10 seconds for passing under a yellow and then it was reversed. Not sure on any details though.

Your point is interesting, if you can see the next point but haven't passed it are you ok to pass? Say there is a yellow flag at the hairpin cause a rider crashed coming out, but the point going into higgins has no flag. You can see that there is no flag being waved so can you pass someone down the straight?

Originally Posted by lukemillar

I thought it was until you passed a green flag at the next marshall point indicating it's clear. However, reading the rules on MNZ, doesn't say anything like that!

No the only point that has a green flag is the start/finish line.

**Skunk** · 2nd March 2010, 08:26

6-19 The following flags will be recognised as the standard colours to be used as signals to riders during a race:
Green: Start
Red: All riders stop racing.
Yellow: Held Stationary – SLOW DOWN – Proceed with caution. No overtaking until danger area is passed. Sidecar riders-this could also mean your passenger is in difficulties.
Yellow: Waved – SLOW DOWN NOW – Proceed with extreme caution. No overtaking until the danger area is passed, be prepared to stop.
White: Last lap.
Black: Individual rider to stop and retire from course. The rider’s number must be shown on a board at the same point as the black flag is displayed.
Black and White Check: Finish for all riders.
Red and Yellow Stripes: Oil on course.
Red and White Cross: Ambulance on course, proceed with caution.
Black with Orange Centre: Road Race Only: Machine to be removed from the circuit immediately. The rider’s number must be shown on a board at the same point as the flag is displayed.
Blue Waved Road Racing: Overtaking signal warning rider is about to be overtaken.
Blue Held Stationary Road Racing: Indicates that competitor is soon to be overtaken.

[I've removed the Flags that don't means anything to road racing such as the purple flag]

**MSTRS:Me** · 2nd March 2010, 08:30

Originally Posted by k14

Looking at the timing sheets John Ross was penalised 10 seconds for passing under a yellow and then it was reversed. Not sure on any details though.

Your point is interesting, if you can see the next point but haven't passed it are you ok to pass? Say there is a yellow flag at the hairpin cause a rider crashed coming out, but the point going into higgins has no flag. You can see that there is no flag being waved so can you pass someone down the straight?

No the only point that has a green flag is the start/finish line.

There was talk of Glen being penalised 30 seconds for passing under yellow. The flag point mentioned NEVER used yellow all day.
No - passing NOT allowed until past the next clear marshal point.
I wonder whether green has been considered at marshal points for that reason?

**lukemillar** · 2nd March 2010, 08:33

Originally Posted by k14

Your point is interesting, if you can see the next point but haven't passed it are you ok to pass? Say there is a yellow flag at the hairpin cause a rider crashed coming out, but the point going into higgins has no flag. You can see that there is no flag being waved so can you pass someone down the straight?

Not really. You have to draw a line in the sand, so it is the same for all competitors. It's too arbitrary to say "depends how quickly you can see the next clear flag point".

**MSTRS:Me** · 2nd March 2010, 08:35

Yellow: Held Stationary – SLOW DOWN – Proceed with caution. No overtaking until danger area is passed. Sidecar riders-this could also mean your passenger is in difficulties.
Yellow: Waved – SLOW DOWN NOW – Proceed with extreme caution. No overtaking until the danger area is passed, be prepared to stop.

Surely the litmus test should be passing a clear marshal point? I know what the words say in the rules, but that suggests that riders decide when it's safe - not ideal.