Practice riding not reading.

[sinfull]

Steve you have to be the perfect example of what Frosty is talking about, i have seen you post on many threads where i have thought jesus, if a learner tried that they could very easily get into trouble ! You might have noticed on several occasions, somebody has told learners not to take heed of what you advised them on !

You sig has got to be the most dangerous on Kb !
Your username however, fits !

[CookMySock]

you are referring to who? if youre talking to me, I have made no secret of the fact that if I had my way, you would be banned from giving anyone any advice at all, but hey, thats just my opinion. Id wager there'd be alot more support for me on that than you think, but thats OT isnt it.

Hey, you want to read books and 'filter info off KB" thats sweet. I will stick to actually learning skills thoroughly. good day!

That makes you part of the problem, since now there may only be one opinion and one truth - yours!

If you don't agree with some statement I make, lets hear your sound and reasoned logic? I am not above eating my own words after a proposition is presented that is better supported in logic than mine is presented.

As it stands, that does not happen. Merely a put-down such as yours is posted, and all conventional rational discussion is out the window. Perhaps your opinion should be taken as read and others' rejected, simply on the basis of the amount of force accompanying it? I do not think so, and you will discover many others do not either.

KB is an open forum, and people are free to present any and all ideas, feelings, and opinions, and they are not subject to your or any other persons veto. If you are unhappy about this, then do not participate, or better still, contribute a well-formed opinion of your own, and back it up with some well-formed logic.

Insulting people and garnering support against them in social groups simply because you believe something different to them automatically categorises yourself, without any put-down needed by anyone else. "Part of the problem and not part of the solution."

Talk about it like human beings. Use politeness. Challenge my remarks. Take issue with the facts that have been presented. Post a correction. State your opinion. Tell us how you feel. Own your own statements, and eat them where necessary.

edit: and you have a good day as well!

Steve

[CookMySock]

Steve ... i have seen you post on many threads where i have thought jesus, if a learner tried that they could very easily get into trouble !

Like, where, mate?

Steve

[aprilia_RS250]

I've noticed a growing trend amongst newer riders on this site.
Grabbing information and advice willy nilly from various publications.
Trouble is theres a tendancy to jump to the complicated stuff and missing out the basic steps along the way.
Its kinda like building a house from the second story window up and randomly building bits.
You need to build on the basic foundation of head knowledge and then go out and apply it.
Only once you have mastered that knowledge in the real world ---RIDING should ya move onto the next stage.
You'll see that principle being applied at the california superbike schools.
You cant move onto level two untill you've mastered level 1

Have you got proof of this? Show me some links so I can see what's so bad about it. Because the way I've been learning is just by riding and if there is something I don't like, or don't feel confident, or a tight situation turns up I read up about it "willy nilly" and see what is the best way is to handle it. I find it is much more effective looking up on something rather than wait for it to happen again and you have no idea what to do...

[FROSTY:Me]

Have you got proof of this? Show me some links so I can see what's so bad about it. Because the way I've been learning is just by riding and if there is something I don't like, or don't feel confident, or a tight situation turns up I read up about it "willy nilly" and see what is the best way is to handle it. I find it is much more effective looking up on something rather than wait for it to happen again and you have no idea what to do...

Unfortunately yes ---Have a read back through the "i crashed" threads

[CookMySock]

Have you got proof of this? Show me some links so I can see what's so bad about it. Because the way I've been learning is just by riding and if there is something I don't like, or don't feel confident, or a tight situation turns up I read up about it "willy nilly" and see what is the best way is to handle it. I find it is much more effective looking up on something rather than wait for it to happen again and you have no idea what to do...

I think you are doing the right thing.

There is a massive massive range of material for you to look through, and so there should be - this is the internet!

Some people would rather limit what you read, on the basis that you were unable to sort and categorise it yourself, and while it remained not properly sorted and categorised - it was dangerous to use! Perhaps it was better and safer that you read only what they believe? But better and safer for who?

Steve

[CookMySock]

Unfortunately yes ---Have a read back through the "i crashed" threads

It is not his position to research your material.

It is your opinion - you collect the links.

Steve

[AllanB]

I believe everything I read on KB. And it is all spelt correctly too!

[R-Soul]

In a way I agree and in a way I dont.

For example: If somoene had said to me as ateenager that I should be using counter steering to control the bike, i would probably have researched it (although there was no internet then) or at least asked about it, and could have saved myself two accidents. In this way discussing technique could be a life saver.

Discussions of WHY you hang off a bike on corners (to keep the bike upright, not to get the knee down) and basic issues like this can be very useful.

I like to discuss the physics of riding, and the mechanics of bikes, but that is purely for my own interest. And, in depth technical knowledge will not save you if you are still liable to freeze up in crucial situations, or need to react in an instant based on instinct. Only training and time in the saddle will help there. (Although just knowing that freezing up is a known occurrence could in itself help you unfreeze. Like knowing that adrenaline makes you feel scared, but also makes you react faster can help you make a decision to overcome fear, ignore the "shakes", calm down and use your additional power and reflexes to find a way out of it.)

And only training will ingrain good technique. but it helps to at least have an idea of what technique you are trying to instill before you pick up bad habits? For example I was checking out the UK suprbike school lessons on youtube last night - definitely worth checking out for tips (eg for keeping your bike stable during cornering, cornering breakdown, and so on). At least you know what you should be aiming for.

But I agree that its one thing to know it, and its completely another to do it properly. That only comes by practice.

[CookMySock]

its one thing to know it, and its completely another to do it properly. That only comes by practice.

If this was the original posters' point, then I agree completely.

Case in point - countersteering ; you can understand it and discuss it until the sky turns black, but do you believe it at crunch-time? If not, then it's all talk on the cereal box.

Steve

[avgas]

Perhaps I am wrong. Everyone else in the world can't learn just by trying for themselves. They have to read how others do it first.
Therefore I am sorry.....really really sorry.

[FROSTY:Me]

But I agree that its one thing to know it, and its completely another to do it properly. That only comes by practice.

And there good sir is it in a nutshell --THANK YOU
I'd like to rephrase that to my origonal point Its one thing the know it in your head sitting behind a computer Its a whole other thing to KNOW it with your body on a bike in the situation.

[CookMySock]

Its one thing the know it in your head sitting behind a computer Its a whole other thing to KNOW it with your body on a bike in the situation.

Yes, but by what magic do they collect it in the first place?

Steve

[avgas]

Yes, but by what magic do they collect it in the first place?

Steve

The one called "experience".
Its a verb not a noun in this instance.

[CookMySock]

The one called "experience". Its a verb not a noun in this instance.

You submit that everyone should collect information about motorcycling (and perhaps other things as well) by their own initial actions from scratch, with no reading material or consultation with others?

We would still be in the dark ages with that level of collaboration, or rather lack of it. Thats absurd.

Steve