Hampton Downs - Sidechairs ruin another race meeting by dumping oil on the track!

[Kickaha]

I crashed on sat in the oil spill.

The oil spill from Friday?

That cock in the sidecar did 4 laps in total with oil pissing out, he did the same thing at manfield.

You mean on the Friday? because he didn't do 4 laps Sunday with it pissing out

[gixerracer]

Superbikes??? You meen superbike it was allways me haha that caused the hold up

The superbikes crashed and caused hold ups yeah.... But after the track was cleared we could still ride as usual, after the sidecar went around and around even after huge delays the track was fucked, i packed up along with most other people on friday after the oil spill. I crashed on sat in the oil spill.

Thing is with a 2 wheeled bike if your dropping that much bloody oil chances are you will find out pretty quick! That cock in the sidecar did 4 laps in total with oil pissing out, he did the same thing at manfield.

[Kickaha]

Superbikes??? You meen superbike it was allways me haha that caused the hold up

We could hook you up with Cowpoos for some ridng lessons, that might help

[cowpoos]

We could hook you up with Cowpoos for some ridng lessons, that might help

Yeah I'll teach the boy some tricks...

[gixerracer]

but im all ready crap

We could hook you up with Cowpoos for some ridng lessons, that might help

[Foxzee]

thanks for pointing out that it was just one team Chop, typical spoilt brat (motogp1) tars them all with the same brush.
Iv'e raced sidecars and I can sympathise with them continueing around the track. I was commentating at the time and yes there was lots of smoke I called for the black flag and i'm sure the team were not aware of the smoke or problem it certainally didn't appear to corner any differently through turn one indicating to me that they didn't have oil on their rear tyre and it seemed to have all it's power between turn one and coca cola.

When you're on a Solo and you get into a slide you're the only one involved, you know whether you've made an error or there could be another problem and should slow down etc. When a Sidecar has rear wheel traction issues it could be several things, oil etc, your own or some on the track, it could also be your passengers gone, checking the passngers there only means they're there, it may also be that the passenger made a mistake etc. what I'm trying to say its not always obvious that there's an issue. you also have 200mm of rear rubber on the track so oil is not as obvious as on a solo.
I'm as dissapointed as a lot of others are that this happened but I'm sure Pete or Dion weren't aware of the problem and continued on their way
Spyda

I need to talk to you.................

[Drew]

but im all ready crap

Admitting it's the first step mate. I'm sure you'll be better with some practice.

[CHOPPA]

The oil spill from Friday?



You mean on the Friday? because he didn't do 4 laps Sunday with it pissing out

Thats how many laps he did in total (friday and sunday) with oil pissing out

Na i meant to say i crashed on sunday in the oil

[Kickaha]

Thats how many laps he did in total (Friday and Sunday) with oil pissing out

Not sure on how many he did on Friday, he pulled off with gear change issues due to the selector cover coming loose which was where the oil came from, on Sunday it was probably close to 1/2 - 2/3 a lap , I originally thought it'd gone about the start finish line as that was when the bike went up in smoke but then he continued to corner 4 before pulling off, when we did the next lap before it was red flagged I could see it started from the bottom of the hill

[CHOPPA]

Not sure on how many he did on Friday, he pulled off with gear change issues due to the selector cover coming loose which was where the oil came from, on Sunday it was probably close to 1/2 - 2/3 a lap , I originally thought it'd gone about the start finish line as that was when the bike went up in smoke but then he continued to corner 4 before pulling off, when we did the next lap before it was red flagged I could see it started from the bottom of the hill

The fact that the fucken idiot used a piece of plastic to fill a hole in the crankcase, that his bike left oil around manfield and hds and that he didnt have the consideration to tell anyone he had actually dropped oil should be reason enough for him to have his licence suspended!

There was oil around the whole track except the corkscrew thing, thats a whole lap and he would have kept going if he could! I spoke to several people that saw the swinger looking at all the smoke.

Your not helping your cause by sticking up for this cock, most of the other sidecar racers have apologised for this bullshit and you seem to be making excuses for him?

[Kickaha]

The fact that the fucken idiot used a piece of plastic to fill a hole in the crankcase, that his bike left oil around manfield and hds and that he didnt have the consideration to tell anyone he had actually dropped oil should be reason enough for him to have his licence suspended!

There's a bit more to it than using a "piece of plastic to fill a hole" but I totally agree with the licence suspension especially as it wasn't a "first offence" does anyone know if MNZ have the power to do this or apply any penalty?

There was oil around the whole track except the corkscrew thing, thats a whole lap and he would have kept going if he could! I spoke to several people that saw the swinger looking at all the smoke.

I only noticed it from where we turn to go up the hill then from about the start/finish when it dumped big time and there was shitloads to turn 4, if the swinger did notice it and didn't get him to pull off then he wasn't doing his job either

Your not helping your cause by sticking up for this cock, most of the other sidecar racers have apologised for this bullshit and you seem to be making excuses for him?

I'm not making excuses or sticking up for anyone and you'll find that the rest of the Sidecar crews are just as pissy about it as you are, I have already sent you a pm and told you what i think you and any others interested should be doing, so just what have you done? have you got on to MNZ yet? have you been on to the NZSRA asking what they be doing to make sure there is no repeat of this? has anyone? or will eceryone just bitch and whine on here?

[CHOPPA]

There's a bit more to it than using a "piece of plastic to fill a hole" but I totally agree with the licence suspension especially as it wasn't a "first offence" does anyone know if MNZ have the power to do this or apply any penalty?



I only noticed it from where we turn to go up the hill then from about the start/finish when it dumped big time and there was shitloads to turn 4, if the swinger did notice it and didn't get him to pull off then he wasn't doing his job either



I'm not making excuses or sticking up for anyone and you'll find that the rest of the Sidecar crews are just as pissy about it as you are, I have already sent you a pm and told you what i think you and any others interested should be doing, so just what have you done? have you got on to MNZ yet? have you been on to the NZSRA asking what they be doing to make sure there is no repeat of this? has anyone? or will eceryone just bitch and whine on here?

Oh yeah ya did lol cheers for that, yeah i have taken other action

[nick2slow]

I'm not going to argue with that old man

but im all ready crap

[Billy]

So to get back on track with the thread,The idea that sidecars are the only machines that dump oil is a misconception that has been with us for sometime and other competitors have been quick too point the finger in the past,At a meeting I officiated at back in the mid 90s on the long circuit at Manfeild,A sidecar expired on the short straight before the Hairpin on the extension,After the following F3 practice we had a stream of competitors complaining that the sidecar had left oil all over the place,Turned out an F3 bike had dropped its sump plug during the first lap of their session and lost a whole sump full of oil!!!No sooner had we finished cleaning up that mess the Rodney Oconnor crashed at the hairpin and dumped another sump full of oil which took about an hour to clean up.Its also a standing joke that after a post classic practice or race you could build a bike from all the parts left on the track.The fact is all classes are as much responsible as one another for the hold ups we encounter at race meetings and its NOT the machines fault when its not prepared properly,I have occasion to have bikes in too fit bodywork to and some of the things Ive noticed wrong with them are just fucking pathetic,Wheels in backwards,Front brakes where they have fitted an aftermarket brake lever that allows no freeplay and jams the brake on,Sockets that fall off the bike that dont belong too me and have clearly been floating around in the engine area for sometime,2strokes where the crankcase breather is ventilating in the open air and on it goes.Its time some of the competitors took responsibility for their machines and prepared them properly.I had occasion to call into Sidecar Bobs workshop and had a good look over his Classic sidecar.The thing was like a show machine,Everything was properly wired and restrained and in my opinion was better prepared than some of the bikes on our superbike grid,I also noticed it had a tag on it that was dated,When I asked him about it,Was told the sidecar association did a certification on a number of machines each year,Brilliant,,If the competitors in our sport arent going to take on themselves to undertake proper machine preparation,Then this should be made compulsory for every machine and when are we going too see the reintroduction of compulsory scrutineering at ALL meetings.A badly prepared machine is a loaded gun waiting too go off in YOUR face or worse somebody elses.

[scrivy]

I had occasion to call into Sidecar Bobs workshop and had a good look over his Classic sidecar.The thing was like a show machine,Everything was properly wired and restrained and in my opinion was better prepared than some of the bikes on our superbike grid,I also noticed it had a tag on it that was dated,When I asked him about it,Was told the sidecar association did a certification on a number of machines each year,Brilliant,,If the competitors in our sport arent going to take on themselves to undertake proper machine preparation,Then this should be made compulsory for every machine and when are we going too see the reintroduction of compulsory scrutineering at ALL meetings.A badly prepared machine is a loaded gun waiting too go off in YOUR face or worse somebody elses.

That's why I posted that if Bob works on my ride, then I trust it that I can go 100% all weekend long!!
Oh, and there's nothing worse than a loaded weapon going off in your face............
(Funny that you mention that whilst visiting sidecar bob........ )