$400 for a ignition timing pickup? You must be fucking kidding!

[CookMySock]

Or am I just too old fashioned?

No, that is a genuine kiwi approach to things, and one that is widely valued in almost all situations, including bike workshops.

It's just that shops have to balance a number of political situations, whereas you are in a position to be able to ignore that.

Steve

[bogan]

I can get bike parts from the other side of the planet in three days, and thats over the weekend too. They should sort their shit out, not that they have to.

At the risk of bringing down the wrath of whinging bike shop staff, where do you get your parts from steve? I use wemoto.com as they have cheap parts and shipping ain't to excessive though they don't have much dirtbike stuff. In saying that the local shops are similar on price for parts that don't have to come from overseas.

[CookMySock]

I build up crashed or otherwise broken hyosung stuff, so thats all I buy - probably no use to you at all. There are a few things that are comparable in price locally - so I always check with the local bike shop first.

I only import stuff if its way way cheaper. Anything comparable in price and I support local, but sometimes ya just havta to with the cheaper deal or the whole thing is uneconomic.

Steve

[Brian d marge]

Hmm fixing things

lets just say you have to know what your are doing before you can go fixing things

it really can open a big tub of worms

and the REALLY annoying thing is that the genuine part is often a lot of crap that given a few hours I could make something far superior

Imagine all those black boxes I could have repaired if I could JUST get that black potting stuff out ......

Oh well back to my enfield

Stephen

[SMOKEU]

Honda wanted over $300 for a new fuel pump for my bike. So I went to a shop that specializes in parts for the old Minis and got a new fuel pump for $140. 6 months down the track and it runs fine. Sometimes you've just got to improvise.

[Conquiztador]

Had today a chat with the owner of the 400cc Duke this is about. Starts well, idles nicely and does well in city traffic. But on open road runs out of umph at 100k/h. No backfiring or strange stuff. Could be timing of that one coil/sensor I fitted. I suppose if it was too late, then she would only really run on one cylindre when up in revs? But I also wonder if some damage has been caused after 10 weeks running on one cylinder? There would have been petrol going through that other cylinder.

In any case a huge improvement. He will now hunt for the real one. But I might have a go at moving that sensor just a fraction...

[mdnzz]

Try looking for older bike parts and check out the prices. Subike prob even tell ya the replacement costs for some parts on his bike are stupid (have same bike so I know) and that aftermarket/fabricated parts can often be the only solution to an expensive problem.
But its not only bikes that do this, was in commercial automotive parts for a time and the mark up on some of those parts is scary, the problem is not the availability of the part or the demand. It is simple purely $$.
Economics 101 really make and affordable product, charge a fortune for replacement parts. Toyota been doing it for years.
I now know of only one mechanic that I will let work on my bikes now and his customer service is above reproach. He is happy to listen to your problem, pass on any advice he can or in the end work thru the problem with you.
If ya still having trouble then ya didn't listen to him right but he always happy to work on the bike as well, yea that may cost but he don't BS ya and will back up his workmanship.

[Katman]

Economics 101 really make and affordable product, charge a fortune for replacement parts. Toyota been doing it for years.

Ain't that the truth.

My wife was quoted $500 for a rear wheel bearing for her Curren by the local Toyota dealer. Tough luck for them as it was still within it's Signature Class warranty period.

[dipshit]

But I also wonder if some damage has been caused after 10 weeks running on one cylinder? There would have been petrol going through that other cylinder.

It wouldn't have been doing it any favours that's for sure. Uneven crake pressures and everything.

And make sure they give it an oil change ASAP. Unburnt petrol getting into the oil kills the oil real quick. (remember with no pressure in the cylinder, the rings will not be bedded so a lot of that unburnt petrol going through the cylinder will get past the rings and into the oil.)

[Conquiztador]

It wouldn't have been doing it any favours that's for sure. Uneven crake pressures and everything.

And make sure they give it an oil change ASAP. Unburnt petrol getting into the oil kills the oil real quick. (remember with no pressure in the cylinder, the rings will not be bedded so a lot of that unburnt petrol going through the cylinder will get past the rings and into the oil.)

Yep, mentioned to him re the oil change. The shop had never said a word...

[Conquiztador]

Just did some "research" and found this: http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/p8-pi...il-9413-0.html

They want US$50 for the bit. Did some other "research" also (all on the net) and obviously others have used these and solved the problem!

So today when I am on the go again I will contact him and tell him to order one.

[whowhatwhere]

www.wemoto.com in the UK are also great.

[CookMySock]

.. on open road runs out of umph at 100k/h. No backfiring or strange stuff. Could be timing of that one coil/sensor I fitted.

That sounds a little retarded..

But I also wonder if some damage has been caused after 10 weeks running on one cylinder? There would have been petrol going through that other cylinder.

Yes I am very surprised to hear he did that.

Just did some "research" and found this: http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/p8-pi...il-9413-0.html

That looks suspiciously similar to a hyo one. I got a known-good one in my junk box - wanna borrow it to try?


Steve

[Conquiztador]

That looks suspiciously similar to a hyo one. I got a known-good one in my junk box - wanna borrow it to try?
Steve

Thanks Steve. The owner has ordered one from the net now and we expect it here in a week. We know that is the problem, as the one I fitted got her working even if the high-revs are not perfect. But, as I mentioned, I am sure it is the positioning and perhaps also the gap. (Have learnt that the gap needs to be .5mm +- .05mm) And I know I would have fitted the one I found too far out.

He also told me that apart from the $400 they wanted for the pickup, they wanted $300 for the labour... $700 fitted and ready to go! I buy running bikes for that amount!!

[Robert Taylor]

Thanks Steve. The owner has ordered one from the net now and we expect it here in a week. We know that is the problem, as the one I fitted got her working even if the high-revs are not perfect. But, as I mentioned, I am sure it is the positioning and perhaps also the gap. (Have learnt that the gap needs to be .5mm +- .05mm) And I know I would have fitted the one I found too far out.

He also told me that apart from the $400 they wanted for the pickup, they wanted $300 for the labour... $700 fitted and ready to go! I buy running bikes for that amount!!

Well I guess if the bike shop had performed the same only partially successful job as you have theyd by now be named and shamed on this very forum and thered be yet another ''night of the long knives!'' But at least you have transparently owned up to it being less than successful and have researched why.
Trigger airgap is indeed very critical and can be laboriously optimised using a peak voltage meter or oscilloscope. At high rpm / load the gap is likely not correct to give a short sharp voltage buildup to ''light the fire''. A lethargic rise time and low peak voltage will also likely retard the timing a little.
Indeed $400 is obscene as is the delivery time and for some reason Ducati stuff is particularly bad. I wouldnt though blame the bike shop for the high price because their buy price is likely equally high. I would though blame them for a lack of imagination and that as much comes down to a big problem that affects nearly all bike shops ( and not only in NZ! ) LACK OF EXPERIENCE!!!!
I can well recall the 5 years that I worked in bike shops in London, if you think we have idiots here then you aint seen nothing! Expensive parts ordered that didnt fix the problem, oil drain plugs left undone and lots of drug related issues. ( I think theres a direct correlation there ) And heres a good one....''Why didnt you check the valve clearances as specified in the service schedule?" .......''Well I listened and it wasnt noisy! "...............''Ok, did you listen for the tight ones as well?'' Plonkers.
Spare a thought that the bike shop will likely end up owning that trigger as overseas procured items such as that are not returnable. Despite the fact that maybe it could have been gone about in a better way that covered everyones butts there was nonetheless a business agreement between the customer and the dealer to order the part. Very often projected delivery times arent as accurate as one would like and that is no fault of the dealer as it is largely out of their control. Sadly the Italians are particularly bad in this respect.
If indeed they end up owning this part they have my sympathy at least in respect of the loss they will incur.