Jacque Fresco on TVNZ now (Wed 14 April)

[Edbear]

Sorry to hear that Ed. The reason people lust after money more and more is because someone keeps revaluing it, as well as the enough is never enough greed stuff! That's why money will never work... And where are the Israelites now? and why didn't the world adopt their model of a financial system if it was so perfect?

Sokay, I am grateful that I wake up every morning. I should have been dead at least three times now, but I am proof that only the good die young, or you can't kill weeds, or something. Or I'm just too stubborn to die... I open my eyes, feel my body is functioning and say, "Well, so far, so good!"

Even the Israelites abandoned it. Trouble is that not only does there need to be fair laws, their needs to be both the will and the authority and power, to implement and enforce the laws.

As long as the Israelites worked in harmony with the laws, they prospered, when they abandoned the laws, - and yes, for selfish reasons - their economy and their societal structure suffered.

So finding a consensus of will and the knowledge to implement effective legislation that allows the nation to prosper, and then have the authority and power to enforce such is why the world is in such dire straights. All men are equal and frail, and lack the wisdom and power to act effectively. Even rulerships marked by relative peace and economic stability have only lasted a short time.

[scissorhands]

Fresno has a new testament for life.

He could be described as a prophet

[Edbear]

Fresno has a new testament for life.

He could be described as a prophet

Or an idealistic dreamer..? Albeit a highly intelligent one.

[mashman]

Or an idealistic dreamer..? Albeit a highly intelligent one.

What makes a prophet?

[Edbear]

What makes a prophet?

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Not to be confused with Profit.

Prophetic inspiration: In religion, a prophet is an individual who has been contacted by, or has encountered, the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other humans.[1][2] The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy.

Claims of prophets have existed in many cultures through history, including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, the Sybilline and Delphic Oracles practices in Ancient Greece, Zoroaster, the Völuspá in Old Norse, and many others. Traditionally, prophets are regarded as having a role in society that promotes change due to their messages and actions.

In the late 20th century the appellation of a 'prophet' has been used to refer to individuals particularly successful at analysis in the field of economics, such as in the derogatory 'prophet of greed'. Alternatively, social commentators who suggest escalating crisis are often called 'prophets of doom.'[3][4

[Edbear]

Just popping out for a while, back soon.

[mashman]

And the Yaqui Indians do the same thing using peyote and some dance into a trance, some maybe just need to exercise their mind and who's to say that when the "bolt hits", that that bolt wasn't from "somewhere/someone" else... if it's that far out of the box, as some have levelled at me for instance, then why are there so many other individuals that think in so many different ways, with completely different personalities, that all come to the same conclusion? Except they're not promoting religion. they're promoting humanity as a solution instead of money... Anyway, shamen/Prophets, Do they say that "inspiration" comes to them in dreams? Either way, it matters not wether he's a Prophet to me, he's not, but your Prophet definition fits this man to a tee. 50,000,000 "believers" in the "concepts" that he is "talking" about.

I think we have time, don't you.

[scissorhands]

The idea that knowledge or ideas or even feelings, can be transmitted to another is not totally without merit.

Esoteric studies touch on who is the self, and how much is actually a product ( not to be confused with prophet or profit) of environment, star given qualities and genes.

Fresno's body mind and head shape certainly looks to be like Gandi (who achieved as a lawyer before becoming a holy man) and his global impact is just as large.

Hes made it on the news in NZ, but time is on his side, agewise. I know some communal cyclists always squatting or sharing space cheaply. A little bit precious with the holier than thou typical reaction to having a beer that wasnt home brewed, but the intentions are okay.

Perfectly timed with the recession, its about time we all worried less about money.

[Edbear]

... its about time we all worried less about money.

LOL!!!! I do agree! I look at the things that we are told we need, and I look tat the price and decide I can do without them.

Helps to actually have most things already, and that the issue is whether we need or want to update. I have no ego to stroke, so I'm happy to drive vehicles that are '93, '94, '99 vintage. I'm happy with the Pulsar as it is so cheap to own and does what we need that I see no reason other than vanity to update it. The MX5 is a series one but it is cheap fun and again, only vanity would deem it necessary to get a later or "better" sports car. The old Toyota Estima is handy as only an 8-seater van can be and cheap to insure. Again, only vanity would dictate it's passe.

The bike,? I hope to keep it forever, if I can avoid having to part with it at present. Business growth means I could do with the money at the mo.

When we were first married, ('77), we were young and had little and wanted everything our older friends had immediately. So we did the wrong thing and booked ourselves up into debt, never had any money to go anywhere and it took many years to get ourselves off the debt-wagon! Now I prefer to be able to put gas in an older vehicle and go somewhere rather than worrying how we're going to make the next HP payment!

[scissorhands]

When we were first married, ('77), we were young and had little and wanted everything our older friends had immediately. So we did the wrong thing and booked ourselves up into debt, never had any money to go anywhere and it took many years to get ourselves off the debt-wagon! Now I prefer to be able to put gas in an older vehicle and go somewhere rather than worrying how we're going to make the next HP payment!

Sadly this is true for many young families. If Fresno can even Awake a few families to get off the commodifying, capitalising, corporatising,, castigating, castrating bus, and live freer lives, in my book hes a bloody legend

[Edbear]

And the Yaqui Indians do the same thing using peyote and some dance into a trance, some maybe just need to exercise their mind and who's to say that when the "bolt hits", that that bolt wasn't from "somewhere/someone" else... if it's that far out of the box, as some have levelled at me for instance, then why are there so many other individuals that think in so many different ways, with completely different personalities, that all come to the same conclusion? Except they're not promoting religion. they're promoting humanity as a solution instead of money... Anyway, shamen/Prophets, Do they say that "inspiration" comes to them in dreams? Either way, it matters not wether he's a Prophet to me, he's not, but your Prophet definition fits this man to a tee. 50,000,000 "believers" in the "concepts" that he is "talking" about.

I think we have time, don't you.

Time is not really the biggest issue, or rather it is pressing and urgent, but it is the reason we're running out of time that is the real issue.

His ideas have merit and would make a huge difference to the world if enough took them on board and acted upon them. But when we look at the state of the planet over history we see a steady decline in world standards, health and security and the environment. We depend upon the delicate balance of nature for our very existence yet we are destroying it faster than it can recover. While there is argument about whether Global Warming is man-made or a natural cycle the destruction of man's environment including the seas is definitely being done by mankind.

Some scientists are of the opinion that it is too late already and the food chain is dying from the bottom up and it is now merely a question of how long before the seas die. I have done a lot of research on the sea and the science is scary. There is evidence that the film, The Day After Tomorrow, is actually happening right now.

[mashman]

We still have the same issue in common at the heart of these things you're talking about... The bulk of the destruction comes from doing it for profit. If you at least want to give the planet a chance, or at least prepare for "doomsday", then you'd better start thinking about ditching money pretty damn quickly, because when it turns to shit, i'd rather have a nation full of "emergency service trainees, engineers, scientists (chemistry physics maths etc...), care givers and on and on instead of a bunch of bankers, finance guys, accountants and on and on again... No money, more people being able to look after more people. Money, the amount of people looking after people that money will allow.

the outcome is always the same... innovation crippled by financial constraints... just ask NASA... and it's the people that will suffer for it if they ever start again.

Why are our politicians not discussing things like this?

[Edbear]

Basically it's not money that is the problem, it's like guns. Guns are only lethal in the hands of those who choose to use them and only kill humans when the user fires at humans.

Money, like a gun, is inanimate and unable to harm anyone. It is a human problem and taking money out of the equation only replaces one means of dominance for another.

I personally like the idea of pooling resources, using each person's abilities and strengths for the communal good and when done with altruistic motive, has been shwon to work near miracles. We see altruism in the medical field with doctors, nurses and surgeons - eg: the Fred Hollows Foundation. So it can be done regardless of money where there is the will to do so.

[mashman]

Sadly this is true for many young families. If Fresno can even Awake a few families to get off the commodifying, capitalising, corporatising,, castigating, castrating bus, and live freer lives, in my book hes a bloody legend

Absolutely.

Money, like a gun, is inanimate and unable to harm anyone. It is a human problem and taking money out of the equation only replaces one means of dominance for another.

Ok, so guns don't kill people, people do. What's the most common use for a gun other than livestock etc...? and someone had to pay for that gun to be made. they aren't free you know.

[mashman]

I personally like the idea of pooling resources, using each person's abilities and strengths for the communal good and when done with altruistic motive, has been shwon to work near miracles. We see altruism in the medical field with doctors, nurses and surgeons - eg: the Fred Hollows Foundation. So it can be done regardless of money where there is the will to do so.

If your foundations suddenly lost funding from their benefactor, I dare say they'd be singing a different tune. Mainly because of the harm that would be caused to those who end up paying for it when the services just stop.