Police killing us again!

**Kiwi675** · 19th April 2010, 16:53

And this one 34 years of experience........................................ ..........

**Mom** · 19th April 2010, 16:53

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

For sure and in hindesight he probably wouldn't have either. Now he has to live with this stupid mistake for the rest of his life....

Probably cost his his job too

**Elysium** · 19th April 2010, 16:54

Not the news I like to hear. What bike was the the rider using?

**peasea** · 19th April 2010, 16:54

Originally Posted by miloking

You mean these figures??? well here they are....

Oh, that's gold, must spread rep etc. Well done old bean, graph being forwarded to everyone I know!

**peasea** · 19th April 2010, 16:56

Originally Posted by ukusa

The difference with this one is the poor guy was killed by a person who's job it is to uphold the law, and who's job involves preaching the virtues to everyone else on the road. Seems he didn't practice what he preached! No different really than if a cop robbed a bank or murdered someone, it will create more discussion because ultimately they are breaking the laws they are paid to enforce.

See post 169

**Katman** · 19th April 2010, 17:00

I'm sure there's others on here who are wondering what speed the motorcyclist was travelling at.

Ok, I've got a thick skin - I'll be the one to voice it.

**Indoo** · 19th April 2010, 17:01

Originally Posted by Ixion

... D' y' see a pattern here. No, probably not, none so blind as they who will not see.

No I don't see a pattern indicating the pandemic of Police driving killing innocent motorcyclists which is what you claimed, infact you don't appear to have any evidence nor a single example to back up your claim, might want to correct that before appearing on the radio or not make up stuff in the first place.

Emotive claptrap isn't going to persuade anyone or change anything.

**Str8 Jacket** · 19th April 2010, 17:02

Originally Posted by Katman

I'm sure there's others on here who are wondering what speed the motorcyclist was travelling at.

Ok, I've got a thick skin - I'll be the one to voice it.

Yep, I thought about that but then we don't know what the visibility of either the cop or the rider was, where the sun was etc etc.... We will never know if he could have stopped in time and even if we did it wouldn't change the fact that a person has died.....

**Ixion** · 19th April 2010, 17:02

We condemn dangerous and careless driving by policemen, because not only is it careless, dangerous , and stupid, but it is also a betrayal of trust

The police are granted enormous privileges- they have powers and exemptions not available to the public

We, society, grant them these privileges on the basis that they will be exercised reasonably, with due care and good judgement

When they are not, and when there is so much evidence that that dereliction is endemic, not a one-off extraordinary failing , then we are entitled to question the basis upon which those privileges are granted

If judgement as bad as this officers, and an attitude toward road safety so cavalier as his (he has done 'the same thing' , 'thousands of times' , says his boss, who seems quite happy with that ),is to be the common standard for police officers, then we must consider whether it is in the public interest to allow cops dispensation from the rules.

If the standard of police driving is no better than some random moron in a people mover, then the cops should be subject to the same rules as the people moving moron.

We trusted them. They have betrayed our trust. They should expect to be condemned not just for the dangerous driving, but for the betrayal of that trust also.

**Max Preload** · 19th April 2010, 17:03

Originally Posted by Katman

I'm sure there's others on here who are wondering what speed the motorcyclist was travelling at.

I am. The angle of the car in the photo would suggest Warp Factor 10.

**shrub** · 19th April 2010, 17:04

I think the danger is the flashing lights. When cops flick on their lights they become bulletproof and expect every other road user to be able to avoid them.

And tonight a family and friends are sitting in their homes wondering what the hell they're going to do tomorrow as they face grief like nothing else and for many years now the world is denied the skills, friendship, resources of a man who had his life in front of him. And as has been pointed out, he was never going to catch that ute, so it was always going to be an excercise in futility.

**scumdog** · 19th April 2010, 17:06

Originally Posted by Indoo

Not to get in the way of a good public lynching and mass hysteria, but does anyone actually have the figures and examples of other cases to back up Ixions claims?

I'm still waiting for Les to post some figures to back his claim 'Given the rate that careless driving by cops kills motorcyclists'

This is the first one killed that way that I can recall......the other one(s?) killed themselves...

**Elysium** · 19th April 2010, 17:07

Originally Posted by Katman

I'm sure there's others on here who are wondering what speed the motorcyclist was travelling at.

Ok, I've got a thick skin - I'll be the one to voice it.

Strange enough I was thinking the same thing. Someone said cop got between ute and bike, ute was clocked at 154km\h, so therefor would not bike be doing same speed?

**miloking** · 19th April 2010, 17:09

Originally Posted by scumdog

I'm still waiting for Les to post some figures to back his claim 'Given the rate that careless driving by cops kills motorcyclists'

This is the first one killed that way that I can recall......the other one(s?) killed themselves...

I posted these figures already on page 12 ...they are as correct as Mr.Smiths ACC statistics...