Police killing us again!

[Jonno.]

Are you suggesting that the motorcyclist made no attempt to scrub off any speed at all?

In ideal conditions he would have had less then 25 meters braking time at 100km/h.

[Fluffy Cat]

Thats nice, but it was Ixions endemic of dereliction which I was referring to.



Yeh it still is, just list the Bikers killed by Police since the inception of the force in this country, it surely shouldn't be hard?

Just to interject ever so slightly here......
I was directly involved in the medical aspects of the Buller Gorge not the police's fault "accident".
Without sounding to pompous one of those guys very "very" nearly did die in the OR. Some serious intervention was required.
So no not dead but I think close enough for some serious thought into Police actions in these situations.
Unfortunately I was then witness to the same again on Atawhai Drive in Nelson involving a VW car.
Is it worth it?.......
Not really. Been there done that job. As one of my instructors said "there are sometimes ones that get away, it's just the way it is. Let it go"
Wise words.
This whole thing is quite sad, TV3 seem to want to point the bone already. Poor family and friends

[Kornholio]

yep get on as well, there is some room left at the back

After reading nearly 400 posts of experts analyzing how my mate died I think I'll walk...

[miloking]

After reading nearly 400 posts of experts analyzing how my mate died I think I'll walk...

For all its worth, I would like to offer my condolences, i never lost a friend especialy this way so I cannot imagine how you must feel.

and sorry for joking in my previous post...

[Conquiztador]

And really sucks to be the family of the biker.

[puddytat]

I & everyone else in this thread feels for the family....thats why folk are passionate about this topic because in one way or another it touches us all.
Big love to family & friends, our hearts are with you all.

[cold comfort]

[QUOTE=98tls;1129723931]What exactly are you pissed off about?

The directive to the cops that "thou shalt pursue' for ANY speed infringement no matter what. The bloody myopic focus on speeding per se. That the gubbermint is too cheap to spend our road taxes on driver training and decent roads instead of distraction with red herrings

[Jdogg]

and further from the nz herald article "However, Carl Jackson, of Jackson Engineering, where Mr Brown worked part-time, told the Herald Mr Brown had been following his ute as the pair headed to their respective homes after spending time at a friend's house on Sunday afternoon. When asked if he had been speeding, Mr Jackson said he "might have been".
He said he didn't know if it had been him police had started to chase, but as he returned to town he "saw the ambulance speeding past" and figured something had happened.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10639521

[Spearfish]

Its all just a set of dominoes tipping over one by one until the last one stops..
Guy buys a bike and goes for a ride on Sunday in a "recreational" manner turns off an intersection and gives it a bit of a nudge.....
Cop turns up for work, goes to line up and gets the crash figures and given his "task" for the day, heads off and spots a cager at well over the limits and turns...
Cager is doing a quick run home, probably kids or other family in the back, turns off the intersection and gives it the same nudge he always does...ahh shyt...cop..
hits the picks and looks in the mirror..no cop.....phew got away with that one....
KB members are hurt by the info that another biker is down and how needlessly a life ended and rip into the cops, blind spots, speed, professional standards, anything at all to make sense for themselves about the crash....
While the cager (first) domino still carries on..no questions asked...no standards checked...no risk of not ever doing it again.....
I think we are all getting it wrong, those using the roads and those trying the save those users, literally from themselves.

[denill]

Just to interject ever so slightly here......
I was directly involved in the medical aspects of the Buller Gorge not the police's fault "accident".
Without sounding to pompous one of those guys very "very" nearly did die in the OR. Some serious intervention was required.
So no not dead but I think close enough for some serious thought into Police actions in these situations.
Unfortunately I was then witness to the same again on Atawhai Drive in Nelson involving a VW car.
Is it worth it?.......
Not really. Been there done that job. As one of my instructors said "there are sometimes ones that get away, it's just the way it is. Let it go"
Wise words.
This whole thing is quite sad, TV3 seem to want to point the bone already. Poor family and friends

And after all this - and in spite of the horrific history, Toolman said:
Leo Tooman said road policing was all about preventing road trauma. "Unfortunately the nature of our business is such that from time to time tragedies do occur."

[oldrider]

And after all this - and in spite of the horrific history, Toolman said:
Leo Tooman said road policing was all about preventing road trauma. "Unfortunately the nature of our business is such that from time to time tragedies do occur."

I'm afraid Toolman comes across as being well named......time for him to go IMHO!

[Pixie]

Inspector Leo Tooman on TV1 last night: "We do thousands of these turns a year"
No wonder they have such a tragic reputation.

He forgot to mention the speeding driver was on th' drugs,raping a granny and eating a freshly cooked baby's arm at the time the cop spotted him and had to be stopped at all costs.

[denill]

Inspector Leo Tooman on TV1 last night: "We do thousands of these turns a year"
No wonder they have such a tragic reputation.

He forgot to mention the speeding driver was on th' drugs,raping a granny and eating a freshly cooked baby's arm at the time the cop spotted him and had to be stopped at all costs.

Yeah, that sums it up.

[PrincessBandit]

Guys did you read this: http://www.3news.co.nz/Default.aspx?...2637=1#comment

probably old news but what realy gets me is this bit:

Local resident and past motor racer Frank Wilkin heard the incident form his home and says the motorbike was travelling at a fast speed.

I heard this motorbike coming and thought, ‘Wow, that’s travelling fast,’ and as it came I heard just a fraction of a movement, deceleration and then this boom,” he says

Who the fuck is 3news to twist shit like that....also no offence Mr. Wilkin the Motor racer, i am impressed at your hearing abilities to recognize speeding vehicle merely from doppler effect!!! You should work for Police, you would be uselful so we would save taxpayers money on lazer guns!

So just because the "witness" doesn't fit with how you'd like the facts to be you just slag him off? Were you in the vicinity yourself to verify that this "witness" is talking shit?

RIP Paul -
I was nearly taken out in my car when travelling through Te Kauwhata about 4 years back, I had to swerve hard to miss this cop doing a U turn in front of me. Gave me a hell of a fright.
.....................................
I get the feeling that police see a speeding car, all else seems to blinkered out. They see red and just give chase no matter what.

..............The police force should not let this happen again. U turns are one of the most dangerous manoeuvres anyone can do on the road.

There should be strict training given to officers about completing a U turn.
This training or refresher training is not working.

Well, despite having to take evasive action, you managed to walk away with "a hell of a fright". I'm sure the police do have strict U-turn rules, but like any other driver on the road can make poor choices which also end tragically for other people. I love how people here seem to think that the police should be incapable of making the same kinds of road errors that mere mortals do frequently.

Did the rider hit the car the instant it did the U turn or did he come over the brow that was just as blind for him as it was for the cop and hit what was then an obstruction?
I'm not wording it very well but also I'm not trying to be provocative.

There is just something so wrong that consequences of a such a simple act of thoughtlessness on the part of the driver can end a life, and is worse that this time it was a cop.

OMG, isn't the whole "ride as though you do NOT know what is just outside of your line of vision" thing being forgotten here? How often do we drive or ride (yes, those of us who ride are just as guilty of doing this) assuming that the road ahead, which we can't actually see, is clear of any obstacles. It only takes tiredness, distraction, cockiness, blinking to get a grain of dust outta ya eyes and all sorts of things can go down the toilet fast. Everyone is in the same boat; and if you're het up about the more serious consequences for bike riders, get off two wheels. (ps spearfish, that last comment wasn't aimed at you, it just happened to be in my reply following your qoute, not personal to you).

[Pixie]

There was one they quoted in the article - think it was the young guy who the cops then turned around and charged and he had a hell of a fight on his hands to prove he was not at fault.

Another sad case, regardless of the circumstances. If the cop hadn't been doing the U-turn, it's unlikely this rider would have died. It will be interesting when the full facts come out to see exactly how far from the brow of the hill the cop was and how fast the rider was estimated to have been going and all the other factors that need to be taken into account here before blame can be apportioned.

There have been several.One near Meremere in front of a truck that I can recall,plus I witnessed a near miss u-turn across 3 lanes of heavy traffic near the Marsden Pt turn-off in order to go after a slow moving truck.