Police killing us again!

[MSTRS:Me]

The police force is full of arseholes.........just like KB

But do the arseholes actually know that's what they are...even though they perform a valuable service

[terbang]

Probably not, so they need it pointing out to them... But whether or not they take heed is a different story.

[avgas]

But do the arseholes actually know that's what they are...even though they perform a valuable service

Do the police know the law and what they are to uphold?

[MSTRS:Me]

I believe most of them do know 'the law'...but some of them also 'know' that they are above it.

Not too different from us as a group, really. Most wear a uniform (riding gear), they like to hang around together, they have an 'us and them' mentality and protect their own, they do some good works, some tar the majority with their attitude/actions...you get the picture

[DougieNZ]

Without reading the last 49 pages...

Lets wait until a full investigation reveals the facts of the situation. Questions like:

1. Where exactly was the U Turn perfomed?
2. Exactly how fast was the motorcyclist going?
3. How fast was the motorclyclist going?
4. What were the view lines for both parties?
5. Was there a ute going 150km/h plus the other way or not? Does it matter?
6. And many many more

By making comment before the answer to these questions are known we are not doing justibve to any of the parties involved in this tragic incident.

I would put it to you that unless you were there (and often not even then) or impartially investigating this matter - then it is very difficult to form an accurate opinion on it.

Just one last question:

If you knew a ute doing a squillion kp/h passed a cop and then 10km down the road ploughed in to your family - killing them all - would you expect the cop to give chase? Would you be critical if he didn't do this as quickly as he thought was possible? I often am lead to ponder than question when i see the "driver killed while running from the police" headline.

We have seen from the Buller Gorge incident and actions after it that the police are taking these incidents seriously - whether or not you agree with the punishment the judge hands down.....

I am sure that this case will be no different.

I certainly feel for the family of the bereaved. Hopefully theirs and everyone else's questions will be answered in due course.

[Headbanger]

Very valid point.
However would you slam the whole industry simply due to the mistake of 1 in the industry. I am referring to the opening statement made by the OP.
The police force is full of arseholes.........just like KB

The police is full of arseholes, The job attracts them like flies. And the fuckwits they deal with just make them worse.

I wouldn't involve them in any situation in any circumstances if it could be avoided.

[SPman]

Remember, he is a Human before he is a Police Officer.

One would hope so...however...there are to many out there where the reverse is true!

[terbang]

Just one last question:

If you knew a ute doing a squillion kp/h passed a cop and then 10km down the road ploughed in to your family - killing them all - would you expect the cop to give chase? Would you be critical if he didn't do this as quickly as he thought was possible?

Dumb question really and falls into the what if, what if brigade. It would probably go without saying that most would want the police to catch the offender. But what this thread is really about, is that they should do it in a safe fashion without further risking the remainder of the general public. As in this case, they most certainly did put people at risk. .

This is a site for motorcyclists to discuss motorcycle issues in general and if an obvious trend of motorcyclists getting knocked off their bikes by police emerges, then discussion here is certainly warranted. As there is now.

[Max Preload]

But do the arseholes actually know that's what they are...even though they perform a valuable service

Cops aren't known for their objective self-critique. I AM THE LAW!

[avgas]

The police is full of arseholes, The job attracts them like flies. And the fuckwits they deal with just make them worse. I wouldn't involve them in any situation in any circumstances if it could be avoided.

You haven't had to deal with recruitment agents yet.
They make the police seem like they are providing a service.

[idleidolidyll]

But do the arseholes actually know that's what they are...even though they perform a valuable service

just like lawyers, politicians, burocrats, beancounters, insurance reps, real estate reps and any number of other occupations you might think of.

a higher standard is necessarily demanded of police specifically because of the job they do; they need to be squeaky clean...........but they aint

[MarkH]

Just one last question:

If you knew a ute doing a squillion kp/h passed a cop and then 10km down the road ploughed in to your family - killing them all - would you expect the cop to give chase? Would you be critical if he didn't do this as quickly as he thought was possible? I often am lead to ponder than question when i see the "driver killed while running from the police" headline.

If that happened then I would be angry at the driver that killed my family. I certainly wouldn't expect the police to act recklessly and risk killing another motorist to turn his car around to give chase more quickly.

From what I have read it has been suggested that if the cop had driven 100m further along the road he could have turned quite safely - I would expect the police to opt for safety as that is a big part of their job (or so they claim).

[Ixion]

We have seen from the Buller Gorge incident and actions after it that the police are taking these incidents seriously - whether or not you agree with the punishment the judge hands down.....

Well, no, that's the whole point. The police (and by police here I mean the policy setters, the silver braids) are NOT taking it seriously.

We have clearly seen that cops driving dangerously, especially when initiating pursuits is a general problem. That's the real problem , the near misses and Oh Shit experiences that are happening , if not every day, then at least very frequently. Most of the time, the cop gets away with it, other people avoid him, cover for him . But sooner or later , it will result in a death or serious injury. Now, the problem isn't the death/injury crash. The problem is the day to day cavalier disregard of safe driving. And that problem IS being totally ignored by the police

What happens is , they ignore the day to day dangerous driving. Then when a serious crash does happen, first of all they try to close it down, blame someone else (usually the victim). Most of the time that works. If you crash your car into a U turning cop, almost certainly what happens is YOU get a ticket for careless driving, the cop gets nothing. And, it's not newsworthy so that's the end of it.

If the crash attracts too much publicity to cover up, then the hapless cop gets thrown to the wolves as a sacrifice. As Bridgman , the Buller gorge cop was. He was landed with a really heavy punishment. Not saying he didn't bring a lot of it on himself, but he still got well clobbered.

BUT - the important thing is, having thrown him to the wolves , the police did nothing. The dangerous driving still continued . And now it's killed another biker

Personally, I'm not too interested in seeing the cop hung out to dry. He should be charged , like anyone else, and because he's a cop he's probably going to attract a heavier penalty.

But , what I want to see, and what isn't going to happen , because the police STILL don't take this seriously, is for Howard Broad to stand up and say "Guys, clocking up another speeding ticket isn't worth it if it means someone might die. If you can't do it safely, let it go. And that's policy".

[MSTRS:Me]

But , what I want to see, and what isn't going to happen , because the police STILL don't take this seriously, is for Howard Broad to stand up and say "Guys, clocking up another speeding ticket isn't worth it if it means someone might die. If you can't do it safely, let it go. And that's policy".

I think that's what we would all like to see.

[Indoo]

Cameras in cars as per the U.S and U.K examples would greatly benefit both sides, not to mention save money in the long run through reducing court costs.