National Radio interviews Tooman and BRONZ re: fatal biker accident

[R-Soul]

There seems to be an assumption that the cop car was in the road already when the bike came over the hill. And then it would be faior to say that teh bike shouldhave been going slower and then they would have had enough time to stop. But who is to say the bike was not already over the hill, or even just a few metres away when the cop car pulled out? The cop may have pulled out while looking backwards - not even checking for oncoming traffic! That would have made it even worse...

[phill-k]

There seems to be an assumption that the cop car was in the road already when the bike came over the hill. And then it would be faior to say that the bike should have been going slower and then they would have had enough time to stop. But who is to say the bike was not already over the hill, or even just a few MITREs away when the cop car pulled out? The cop may have pulled out while looking back wards - not even checking for oncoming traffic! That would have made it even worse...

You are right to a degree, however the details at the scene indicate that the rider began avoidance as demonstrated by the 30mtr skid mark, this along with the force of impact and damage will indicate the motorcycles speed and thus whether at the commencement of the manoeuvre the rider might have been visible, or at some later stage - when the vehicle was put into reverse, if as admitted it was a 3 point turn rather than u turn.

[StoneY]

You are right to a degree, however the details at the scene indicate that the rider began avoidance as demonstrated by the 30mtr skid mark, this along with the force of impact and damage will indicate the motorcycles speed and thus whether at the commencement of the manoeuvre the rider might have been visible, or at some later stage - when the vehicle was put into reverse, if as suspected it was a 3 point turn rather than u turn.

Try 'as ADMITTED' the Police officer that was driving has stated clearly, and been reprted as such, that he 'initiated a 3 point turn to chase the offender'

[Tunahunter]

phill-k ....I appreciate your analysis and comment - it's very refreshing

[R-Soul]

Keeping things real here, and without any facts.

The bikers mate was driving in a ute ahead of him.
His mate was doing 154 km/hr in the ute.
I assume they were driving together.
The bike rider was a racer.
I would be very surprised if the bike was not speeding (using the above circumstances as an indication).

BUT Its still a stupid place to do a U-turn.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Keeping things real here, and without any facts.

The bikers mate was driving in a ute ahead of him.
His mate was doing 154 km/hr in the ute.
I assume they were driving together.
The bike rider was a racer.
I would be very surprised if the bike was not speeding (using the above circumstances as an indication).

BUT Its still a stupid place to do a U-turn.

You assume quite a bit there!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3606...rn-cops-target

[twotyred]

" Mr Jackson, 43, is expected to be charged with speeding in relation to the incident, but disputes police suggestions he was travelling at 154kmh.

He said his diesel-powered Mazda Bounty ute was not capable of that speed. "

and he'd be right... if the speed of 154ks put forward by the cops is genuine then this guy probably isn't the one their looking for

[Crasherfromwayback]

" Mr Jackson, 43, is expected to be charged with speeding in relation to the incident, but disputes police suggestions he was travelling at 154kmh.

He said his diesel-powered Mazda Bounty ute was not capable of that speed. "

and he'd be right... if the speed of 154ks put forward by the cops is genuine then this guy probably isn't the one their looking for

Maybe he had a good run down the hill!

[avgas]

You assume quite a bit there!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3606...rn-cops-target

Pretty sad really.
Cops always said speed kills. Pity they didn't say "Speed and poor judgement will kill your best mate".
Perhaps we all would slow down a bit then.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pretty sad really.
Cops always said speed kills. Pity they didn't say "Speed and poor judgement will kill your best mate".
Perhaps we all would slow down a bit then.

The whole thing is extremely sad. I'm as guilty as most of us here are (I'm sure), for going too fast from time to time. BUT you don't expect to find a car/object of any sort over a blind crest. Yes...the experts can say you should always be aware etc...but that's not something we all do if we're honest with ourselves. Who here hasn't been over a gentle crest at 100kph or more?? Some people here say it could've been a tree branch etc?? Sure...but that'd purely be bad luck and tragic. This accident was avoidable, and just plain stupidity by the Police officer involved.

THAT's what really sucks.

[R-Soul]

You assume quite a bit there!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3606...rn-cops-target

Yeah I am - and I admitted it upfront. I was just trying to put myself in the mind of those people - you know how things get when (competitive) mates are trailing each other or riding together.
But if the driver genuinely did not know that the bike was behind him, then those my assumptions are baseless...

[Maha]

Avoidable accident? Probably. Crash Scene Investigators look at three probable causes to any fatal accident.
The Environment/The Vehicles/The Drivers.
I think its best we await their findings as to why someone died in this particular accdident.

Go back to Daniels death on the Southern Motorway....was it the Vehicle/the Environment or the Rider?
Some would say the Rider (because he was doing a wheelie), some would say the Environment (because he hit a cheescutter barrier) and some would say it was bike (because it broke in half)
Truth is (if we are to be honest here) all three eliments played a part in his death.

Like Paul Browns brother has said '' theres alot of talk about what happened but thats not going to bring my brother back''.

[phill-k]

Having read that latest article in Stuff, I'm afraid there is going to be more bad news coming out of this - quote from article "I didn't know where Paul was: I didn't know if he had left our friend's, or was still there. He was sitting there finishing his drink when I left. I did not know he was behind me. I just bloody hope it was a coffee. That would be a very sound reason for one to be mute when being questioned by the media

[Mom]

Keeping things real here, and without any facts.

The bikers mate was driving in a ute ahead of him.
His mate was doing 154 km/hr in the ute.
I assume they were driving together.
The bike rider was a racer.
I would be very surprised if the bike was not speeding (using the above circumstances as an indication).

BUT Its still a stupid place to do a U-turn.

Far out mate, that is one hell of a lot of asumptions there. Have a little read of some of the other threads and articles about this. There is so much blarney and bullshit being touted it is not friggen funny. Quoting it back on here like some sort of expert is not helpful and only fuels the spread of the b and b/s.

Only certainty here is an experienced motorcycle rider is dead after hitting a police car that was not where you would expect a vehicle to be just over a blind crest in the road. So, how about we stop crediting this ute with warp factor 10, them travelling together, the biker being a racer ergo he was likely speeding in your opinion and lets leave it to the investigations to discover the truth.

I for one will be happy to agitate to ensure that we do infact get the full story here.

[R6_kid:Me]

" Mr Jackson, 43, is expected to be charged with speeding in relation to the incident, but disputes police suggestions he was travelling at 154kmh.

He said his diesel-powered Mazda Bounty ute was not capable of that speed.

Well there is only one way prove him wrong or right...

I call his bluff - I've had a clapped out 82 Hiace loaded with bikes up to 175kmh, the owner says he's gone faster. Pretty sure it was only a four speed too.