Police killing us again!

[Pixie]

I'm aware of who Tony Bliss is, but is it true that he was the mystery passenger on a Sunday afternoon fact-finding joyride, or were you just taking the piss?

Taking The Piss

[Pixie]

Dunno but there would be a high criteria, but obviously the british police and others are happy with small cars.
I think if the commodore and epica were put on a 3 year life cycle discounted cashflow model there wouldn't be much difference in the lease option, and holden would put the Commy up as a loss leader anyway.
But hey, how is this related to the topic again?

Just think how bad some cops' small cock syndrome would be if they were forced into small cars as well.
Let the baby have it's aussie tank.I think we may be better off for it.

[Pixie]

Haven't read 70 odd pages but my thoughts on stoopid manouvre(sic) from orificer was there seemed to be enough room to pull onto the verge and spin the car around with 2 wheels on dirt etc with quick flick of accelerator,hell my XR6 can be spun round albeit on pea metal on a small road(wife did it and was impressed)sure no pea metal but surely that would be an idea,although the curb and chanel showed about 50-100mts from crash site.

Traction control

[scumdog]

dimensions

commodore width 1899mm

camry width 1820mm

so 7.9cm difference, how many donuts is that?

So how about boot space - woulda a Camry have room for a gun-box, crash kit, road-cones, extra battery (to cope with loads when parked up with the disco lights running) 1st aid kit, pepper-spray kit...and duty bags for the five guys inside as well.

And even if it does, from experience none of the front-wheel drives tested could turn around on country roads/ narrow streets like a Commodore can (think: even more 3-point turns being done if using front-whel drives.)

No problem with a Vectra sized car being used for non-essential duties - cops do have them anyway but generally the 'non-essential types' get hand-me-downs after xxx km - and these cars can be pressed back into front-line duties if there's an emergencies/need.

My 2cents worth m'lord....

[scumdog]

Traction control

And sure, you can turn it off - but if you bin it there's no hiding the on-board computers indication that it was off when you crashed.

And then starts a long sorry saga as you try to explain how you crashed whil the traction-control was off.....which you know you are not allowed to turn off...

[jahrasti]

And sure, you can turn it off - but if you bin it there's no hiding the on-board computers indication that it was off when you crashed.

And then starts a long sorry saga as you try to explain how you crashed whil the traction-control was off.....which you know you are not allowed to turn off...

Because if you did turn it off and someone one here saw a power induced turn to spin you around, they would put up a thread about Police are worse than boy racers with there sustained loss of traction yada yada blah blah.

[blackdog]

So how about boot space - woulda a Camry have room for a gun-box, crash kit, road-cones, extra battery (to cope with loads when parked up with the disco lights running) 1st aid kit, pepper-spray kit...and duty bags for the five guys inside as well.

And even if it does, from experience none of the front-wheel drives tested could turn around on country roads/ narrow streets like a Commodore can (think: even more 3-point turns being done if using front-whel drives.)

No problem with a Vectra sized car being used for non-essential duties - cops do have them anyway but generally the 'non-essential types' get hand-me-downs after xxx km - and these cars can be pressed back into front-line duties if there's an emergencies/need.

My 2cents worth m'lord....

now we are really down to splitting hairs

camry turning circle... 11.8m (much tighter with controlled application of the handbrake)
commodore ... 11.4m

luggage capacity

camry ...432 litres
commodore ...445 litres

i just cant see how 13 litres of boot space and 40cm in turning circle outweigh the benefits....

i would even venture to suggest that in the instance we have been debating, a handbrake turned camry would have prevented the entire situation

[scumdog]

now we are really down to splitting hairs

camry turning circle... 11.8m
commodore ... 11.4m

luggage capacity

camry ...432 litres
commodore ...445 litres

i just cant see how 13 litres of boot space and 40cm in turning circle outweigh the benefits....

I forgot to add that the fwd car seemed to fall apart a bit easier.

Not that the 'dores are that flash either but they seem to hold together better.

And 'paper figures' can be deceptive compared to the 'real world'...usable space and all that.

[blackdog]

I forgot to add that the fwd car seemed to fall apart a bit easier.

Not that the 'dores are that flash either but they seem to hold together better.

And 'paper figures' can be deceptive compared to the 'real world'...usable space and all that.

i challenge you to find any commodore that 'holds together' better than a camry. or even a mondeo for that fact

[scumdog]

i challenge you to find any commodore that 'holds together' better than a camry. or even a mondeo for that fact

You haven't seen the way we use them!

Rest assured, other brands have been tried but the old 'dore keps us going and I guess the bean-counters must be happy with Fleet-Lease and the cost of running the cars.

BTW: the 'other brands' seemed to be more thirsty when used hard, when just cruising they were pretty good (ideal for a family man) but boot them for a bit and hoo-boy, the needle on the fuel guage created a sonic boom as it whipped back across the dial!

[blackdog]

You haven't seen the way we use them!

Rest assured, other brands have been tried but the old 'dore keps us going and I guess the bean-counters must be happy with Fleet-Lease and the cost of running the cars.

BTW: the 'other brands' seemed to be more thirsty when used hard, when just cruising they were pretty good (ideal for a family man) but boot them for a bit and hoo-boy, the needle on the fuel guage created a sonic boom as it whipped back across the dial!

you aren't doing yourself any favours here re:-cops driving responsibly

we do see the way you use them, and that is what we have a problem with.

[scumdog]

you aren't doing yourself any favours here re:-cops driving responsibly

we do see the way you use them, and that is what we have a problem with.

So what you're saying is we should drive more sensibly and then would be able to use cheaper ( and less practical at times) cars?

(And how we 'use' the present cars is not always just to do a U-turn on front of a motorcycle)

[blackdog]

So what you're saying is we should drive more sensibly and then would be able to use cheaper ( and less practical at times) cars?

(And how we 'use' the present cars is not always just to do a U-turn on front of a motorcycle)

i am saying you should use MORE practical cars. with the exception of australia and the us no other country in the world uses commodore class vehicles for policing. our roads and requirements would be more closely aligned with what they use in the uk or europe.

commodure fuel consumption 11.8litres/100km
camry 8.8litres/100km

it is you that has implied that you don't always drive sensibly

[scumdog]

i am saying you should use MORE practical cars. with the exception of australia and the us no other country in the world uses commodore class vehicles for policing. our roads and requirements would be more closely aligned with what they use in the uk or europe.

commodure fuel consumption 11.8litres/100km
camry 8.8litres/100km

it is you that has implied that you don't always drive sensibly

Yeah, I guess tootling along at 110kph to a violent domestic makes more economic sense........("Sorry your daughter has been beaten to death but hey we got under 10 litres per 100km!)

(And down here even 'in a bit of a hurry' you can still end up with a 40mins or more trip to get to parts of our territory)

[blackdog]

i'm not sure that you're sarcasm is warranted

is it better to get to your 1 fatality domestic incident late or to cause a 3 fatality accident on the way from driving beyond your capabilities?