Police killing us again!

[scumdog]

i'm not sure that you're sarcasm is warranted

is it better to get to your 1 fatality domestic incident late or to cause a 3 fatality accident on the way from driving beyond your capabilities?

What I said was that fwds are heavy on gas if pushed.

And you responded showing figures not relavant to a car being driven hard.
Hence my comment.

And I'm getting bored with this thread it's interupting my e-bay searches....

[blackdog]

What I said was that fwds are heavy on gas if pushed.

And you responded showing figures not relavant to a car being driven hard.
Hence my comment.

And I'm getting bored with this thread it's interupting my e-bay searches....

i might be able to take you seriously if you could quote some facts, rather than just your opinion that a smaller engined/lighter vehicle will use more fuel when driven faster. goes against common sense and my experience, but i will happily accept your figures if you can prove them.

[scumdog]

i might be able to take you seriously if you could quote some facts, rather than just your opinion that a smaller engined/lighter vehicle will use more fuel when driven faster. goes against common sense and my experience, but i will happily accept your figures if you can prove them.

I have not bothered to write the figures down but take it from me, when hammering a Nissan Mitsi or whatever 'other' brand they are invariably more thirsty than a Commode driven in the same manner - and it has a bigger motor. This is based on personal experience

FYI: I ain't a Commode fan, blue oval is my logo of choice.

[blackdog]

I have not bothered to write the figures down .....

so we'll take your word for it then

[scumdog]

so we'll take your word for it then

Yup, I got no axe to grind, if I thought a Camry/Maxima whatever WAS ideal I'd say so.

[MaxB]

i am saying you should use MORE practical cars. with the exception of australia and the us no other country in the world uses commodore class vehicles for policing. our roads and requirements would be more closely aligned with what they use in the uk or europe.
snip.........

Err, the Ford Crown Victoria is the US patrol car of choice, all 4.6 litres and 2 tonnes of it.
In fact 100 of millions of people round the world have their roads patrolled with these type of cars.

It may also interest you to know that the acknowledged world leaders in adapted law enforcement models are BMW and they sell a lot of units into Europe, mainly in a traffic role.

[blackdog]

Err, the Ford Crown Victoria is the US patrol car of choice, all 4.6 litres and 2 tonnes of it.
In fact 100 of millions of people round the world have their roads patrolled with these type of cars.

It may also interest you to know that the acknowledged world leaders in adapted law enforcement models are BMW and they sell a lot of units into Europe, mainly in a traffic role.

i said aus and the US................

and 3 series beemers would be fine with me....although prob cost prohibitive over here

[marty]

Not 3 - 5 series. Wagons mostly.

UK cops use small cars in towns - for good reason. The pursuit/highway cops use Vauxhalls/Range Rovers/BMW's/helicopters etc.

And before you suggest we should have more helicopters - at $2500/hr for a twin engine Squirrel or similar, who's gonna pay for that? I reckon a fleet of Cessna Bird Dogs whould be the shiz though - loitering around the sky using video and timer to capture average speed on a marked course....., then following the car/bike til it stopped for gas/donuts whatever.....

[Muppet]

Not 3 - 5 series. Wagons mostly.

UK cops use small cars in towns - for good reason. The pursuit/highway cops use Vauxhalls/Range Rovers/BMW's/helicopters etc.

And before you suggest we should have more helicopters - at $2500/hr for a twin engine Squirrel or similar, who's gonna pay for that? I reckon a fleet of Cessna Bird Dogs whould be the shiz though - loitering around the sky using video and timer to capture average speed on a marked course....., then following the car/bike til it stopped for gas/donuts whatever.....

Police were offered use of a light aircraft (the one that can fly at bugger all speed and lands on the snow) and a pilot for nowt and they turned it down many moons ago. The offer was made by the pilot himself who was a cop. It's true that you just can't even give it away. The Police were also offered BMW cars for fuck-all by BMW, but turned it down saying the public wouldn't be impressed if police drove around in luxury cars. And in Europe what do cabbies drive? Mercs and Beemers. These are facts. I can't give you figures, bar graphs or power point presentations on your internets.

[Spearfish]

What happened to the sky hawks? a few rounds across the escapees path should induce some either brown adrenalin or brown cowards custard.....with chunks.... but then I understand a dose of tazer tends to have the same effect on the dignity retention mussels... I don't envy a cops lot taking a tazered scumbag back to the zoo pens after that. Windows down all the way!!

[Smifffy]

Yeah, I guess tootling along at 110kph to a violent domestic makes more economic sense........("Sorry your daughter has been beaten to death but hey we got under 10 litres per 100km!)

(And down here even 'in a bit of a hurry' you can still end up with a 40mins or more trip to get to parts of our territory)

So Bridgeman & the other clown were on their way to a domestic now?

[marty]

Police were offered use of a light aircraft (the one that can fly at bugger all speed and lands on the snow) and a pilot for nowt and they turned it down many moons ago. The offer was made by the pilot himself who was a cop. It's true that you just can't even give it away. The Police were also offered BMW cars for fuck-all by BMW, but turned it down saying the public wouldn't be impressed if police drove around in luxury cars. And in Europe what do cabbies drive? Mercs and Beemers. These are facts. I can't give you figures, bar graphs or power point presentations on your internets.

I know the cop who made that offer - unfortunately it was for his own hour building purposes, and he did not have the legal requirements (Pt135 chater operations) to carry out that task. I do Police flying occasionally - it is all done (obviously) above board, under a proper charter agreement. Unfortunatley due to a few loud complainers, airborne traffic patrols up the Coromandel and Hauraki Plains over the summer break will probably not re-occur.

People whinge about a Commodore - you think a BMW is gonna shut them up? The type of car doesn't change the decisions made in it.

[Patrick]

So Bridgeman & the other clown were on their way to a domestic now?

No. Apparently, if this cop was in a Camry or MItsi or whatever else, other than a Common whore, this crash wouldn't have happened.

Funny how ones words can be changed to suit a cause.

[bogan]

People whinge about a Commodore - you think a BMW is gonna shut them up? The type of car doesn't change the decisions made in it.

I beleive the discussion about cars started cos some asserted the police could not afford in-car cameras, or ANPR systems. To which the question was asked why not get cheaper cars with such systems. And having cameras definitely would change the type of decisions.

[Patrick]

74 pages and over 1100 posts. Conspiracy theories and coverups, slobberings from the anti cop brigade, the works... interspersed with some common sense for good measaure, from both sides too I will add...... It aint a bad read actually.

There are policies in place. Why it wasn't heeded in this case, who knows. Too many what ifs and maybes.

Comments changed to suit someones agenda... doesn't matter what one says really, it will be turned into something it isn't. Just like my post above, relating to a comment, turning that into something it isn't.... easy really.....

Just like the comment about this 33 year cop veteran doing this thousands of times... I read it as being this cop doing U turns thousands of times in his career without incident. Others made it out to be that this dangerous cop had a near miss or caused accidents every time................

I'll go on record to say it was a bad turning point. I'll go on to say he will be charged. No slower than anyone else, no quicker.... just how it is..... Coverups and conspiracy theories will be gone, but hey, those who made those dumb arsed claims won't be back on here saying they were wrong.... just like the Bridgeman affair.... what a coverup and whitewash that turned out to be..... NOT!!!!

I'll go on to say that if motorbike rider attitudes, (such as going as fast as they like when they like, not being able to stop in the clear distance of road ahead, for example........), does not change, then there will continue to be more biker down RIP threads.

Speed is a factor. So is shit driving, such as the cause in this case - being the U turn. The factors are the speed of the ute and the speed of the motorbike. Like it or not, if the bike was speeding, and as I wasn't there, I don't know nor do I point the finger, but if speed of the bike IS a factor, then there were "risks" taken by the rider. Also by the Ute driver and also by the cop.

Those saying the media is on the cops side.... that'll be a first. But one can't always believe what they see in the papers..... unless it is an anti cop headline, that is....... The papers have said he was thrown 7 metres, 30 metres, 100 meters.... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

Could it have been avoided? Sure. A bad turning place, for sure. Perhaps a bad place to speed too....... Just don't know of enough facts, but some are clear.

74 pages of some frothy rantings and some fair comment too, I will add.....

But the TWO motorcyclists killed at Easter in the Dome Valley, generated how many pages of posts and comments...?

74 pages and 1100 plus posts...? NOPE..... Cue the sound of crickets here........

May this rider rest in peace. My condolences to his family.

Sadly though, it won't be too long before there is another biker down thread.

Perhaps caused by a U turning car, driven by Joe public. BUt there won't be 74 pages and 1100 posts about it........

Who is next....?