Attitude of the POPO!

[Rogue Rider]

Hi guys, I have had a rummage to find some discussion on this topic, but can't find anything current.
I have had some incidents in the past few years which really show a decline in the methods and state of our national traffic policing.
What concerns me, is the changing attitudes and methods being exercised by police officers. There seems to be a strong evidential shift from promoting safe driving practices to un-emotional bitter tasting ticketing.
Long gone are the days where the friendly black and whites would pull you over, explain why they have pulled you over, smile alot, and offer resolve and advice before venturing down the path of issuing and infringement notice. Most of the time there was a bit of grace if it was a minor offence, and a legitimate explanation could be given, even a somewhat humorous one....
Either way, mostly the experience wasn't like it today.
Over the past few years, I have had 4 tickets, as well as being pulled over for supposedly "routine checks" The police officers nearly every time are cold, interrogatory and often look like they just graduated from nappies, and have never needed a shave yet.....
They have the sensitivity and compassion level of a rock, and pretty much arouse more anger than the desire to change our standards and drive safer..... More often, after being pulled over and spoken to by an officer, I either feel mad as hell and want to smash something or someone, or I feel like burning off and showering the AH with shingle.

Why do we have to have such a negative culture of dick head cops, can't they find people who have communication skills, and are actually in the job to make a difference instead of filling there flippin quota's...... there is no denying the lies though, they definitely have quota's and competition to get people ticketed....... bikes are a definite target for these.

rant rant rant rant...... what about driver/ rider education, what about warnings...... where is the grace, what motivation are the police officers actually giving us.

[CookMySock]

Because mummy wasn't nice to them, so now they are going to make you pay. Watch their smirk turn to glee as you argue the point with them and consequently fail their attitude test, and then they process you for everything they possibly can.

It's not just about revenue collecting - now it's personal! I wonder what the fuck cops like this will do when they retire.

Steve

[miloking]

Hi guys, I have had a rummage to find some discussion on this topic, but can't find anything current.
I have had some incidents in the past few years which really show a decline in the methods and state of our national traffic policing.
What concerns me, is the changing attitudes and methods being exercised by police officers. There seems to be a strong evidential shift from promoting safe driving practices to un-emotional bitter tasting ticketing.
Long gone are the days where the friendly black and whites would pull you over, explain why they have pulled you over, smile alot, and offer resolve and advice before venturing down the path of issuing and infringement notice. Most of the time there was a bit of grace if it was a minor offence, and a legitimate explanation could be given, even a somewhat humorous one....
Either way, mostly the experience wasn't like it today.
Over the past few years, I have had 4 tickets, as well as being pulled over for supposedly "routine checks" The police officers nearly every time are cold, interrogatory and often look like they just graduated from nappies, and have never needed a shave yet.....
They have the sensitivity and compassion level of a rock, and pretty much arouse more anger than the desire to change our standards and drive safer..... More often, after being pulled over and spoken to by an officer, I either feel mad as hell and want to smash something or someone, or I feel like burning off and showering the AH with shingle.

Why do we have to have such a negative culture of dick head cops, can't they find people who have communication skills, and are actually in the job to make a difference instead of filling there flippin quota's...... there is no denying the lies though, they definitely have quota's and competition to get people ticketed....... bikes are a definite target for these.

rant rant rant rant...... what about driver/ rider education, what about warnings...... where is the grace, what motivation are the police officers actually giving us.

Unfortunately i had nothing but same experiences with them as you did ...so thats why i hate them so much.

(and before some mothefucker tells me its because i was arrogant to them...not it wasnt..each time i was stopped for minor offence i was polite and offered explantion of my actions when asked or just kept quiet still i was ALWAYS treated like shit)

[peasea]

Ooohh! A cop-bashing thread, my fave.

[red mermaid]

Yeah, what a surprise and so original.

Someone wind the record player up and put the same old tune on, did they?

[zeocen]

All my encounters with the police whilst motorcycling has been great. They have been friendly and helpful, even when I've been in the wrong.

[miloking]

Yeah, what a surprise and so original.

Someone wind the record player up and put the same old tune on, did they?

I wish you were my local cop, because each time i would get pulled over you would be nice to me...because you are nothing like the other ones out there. Oh well...

[Toaster]

Over the past few years, I have had 4 tickets, as well as being pulled over for supposedly "routine checks" The police officers nearly every time are cold, interrogatory and often look like they just graduated from nappies, and have never needed a shave yet.....
They have the sensitivity and compassion level of a rock, and pretty much arouse more anger than the desire to change our standards and drive safer..... Why do we have to have such a negative culture of dick head cops, can't they find people who have communication skills, and are actually in the job to make a difference instead of filling there flippin quota's...... there is no denying the lies though, they definitely have quota's and competition to get people ticketed....... bikes are a definite target for these.

rant rant rant rant...... what about driver/ rider education, what about warnings...... where is the grace, what motivation are the police officers actually giving us.

Unfortunately i had nothing but same experiences with them as you did ...so thats why i hate them so much.

(and before some mothefucker tells me its because i was arrogant to them...not it wasnt..each time i was stopped for minor offence i was polite and offered explantion of my actions when asked or just kept quiet still i was ALWAYS treated like shit)

I agree with the both of you, to an extent. If we ignore all the hard working police that work to fight gangs, crime, drugs, disorder etc etc and those that deal with road policing in a professional friendly firm and honest commonsense manner.... then yes there are an element that unfortunately, like in any large organisation, drag the rest down with poor conduct. I know many very good cops, and had also met some extremely poor ones. The fact of the matter is they had a long period where they struggled to get high quality people joining and sadly that reflects in some of the less than ideal examples out there.

I have had over my time, two dealings with the MOT (chat, speed warning - very friendly guys) and one with a cop who couldnt apologise enough for issuing me my first ticket after 20 years on the road. It was my fault, I was the one that was sorry. Personally I think there is a lot to be said for recruiting mature life experienced people into the force. Sadly, like any large employer they do have people that simply always rub people up the wrong way.

[scooute]

I used to hate the filth too believe me, I have also felt the quantum shift over the years and have never had any thing but grief from them be it when an offence was commited against me or they thought I was offending (key is not to) deffinatly brewed some bad blood over the years! ( all before I started riding however, I have had no issues at all whilst riding, in fact theyve always helped me get compensation from drivers who pull out without looking and screw your ankle up etc...) However lets ponder this... What influence has the media had??? everyone is watched so closely these days by the media that they cant do anything but follow the black and white between the lines, maybe thats where the common scense and compassion of yester year has gone... If they show any the media jump all over them...just a thought?
Ride safe

[scumdog]

Just look at what the rest of society is like.

And I don't reckon the 'popo' are any worse than they were 30 years ago.

[scumdog]

As common as the 'KB wave' threads....and generally as full of intelligent input.

[Toaster]

Just look at what the rest of society is like.

And I don't reckon the 'popo' are any worse than they were 30 years ago.

Not in Rotovegas anyways..........

[scumdog]

All my encounters with the police whilst motorcycling has been great. They have been friendly and helpful, even when I've been in the wrong.

Hey, not on KB please, it's not the 'KB way'!

[Kickaha]

All my encounters with the police whilst motorcycling has been great. They have been friendly and helpful, even when I've been in the wrong.

As have mine, one of them even makes me Tea when I call in

[Rogue Rider]

Hey, look, I don't hate cops, but I do believe they are public servants, and that they are there to serve the public and to keep the public safe. They are obligated to us, the public, to greet us and speak to us in a civil manner no matter what the instance is. I am always courteous and polite, and this never deserves, even if I was rude, a response of arrogance and rude behavior.
The police owe it to us, by right, to explain first the reasoning for the meeting, what apparent offence has been alleged, and to ask us for our response and explanation. Education should be paramount over infringement. Lives depend on it.
Also, I don't accept poor recruitment selection/ practice, they should be trained customer service and manners if it is so that there parents dragged them up instead of bringing them up.......
As far as real policing, sorry traffic police don't do real policing, real police solve crime and protect the public from violent offenders and criminals. Traffic police gather revenue for the crown by fulfilling their quota's and harassing those on the roads. They specifically target stereo types, and vehicles of interest.... This by the way is really a form of discrimination..... owh heres a sports bike, must be a law breaker..... or there's a patch, he must have drugs......

My respect goes to real cops, who catch real criminals, traffic police don't even make 20% of what the MOT were.... Bring back black and whites. Everywhere else has a separate specialist force....