Attitude of the POPO!

[Pixie]

So , it's OK to drive drunk so long as you keep under 100 kph? Or are you arguing (as you appear to be) that EVERY driver exceeding 110kph is drunk?

Drunk with POWAAH

[Pixie]

Would you enjoy a drink/speeding driver to wipe out your family? Think about that.

Your family is actually more likely to be wiped out by an inattentive driver.
Unfortunately inattentive drivers don't fit in with the GER model,so they will never be targeted for enforcement.
More unfortunately you like most kiwis have fallen for NZTA's bullshit

[Ronin]

I was implying that there must be a fair percentage of greater infringments found when people are pulled over for speeding.

[pritch]

Firefighter wrote: "Maybe just rid the nation of police and just let crims take over eh? "

Nah, I don't like that idea.

I'd have to carry my gun everywhere, it's a big gun and it'd get heavy after a while...

[scooute]

You just need to get fu...fu fucked! Seriously whats it with this trolling...got nothing intelligent to say, keep quiet!

Can you not see that lil' carrot dangling from a line infront of you? they are baiting you and you are entertaining the rest of us!!! (thankyou) If the argument really means that much to you then heaven forbid... get into politics there are lots of people to disagree with there (maybe you could even make our roads safer for us?) Firefighter is IMO pointing out the broad generalisations that some make... we could all sit here and moan!? or get on our bikes and do our bit to change it!
Ride safe all

[firefighter]

Your family is actually more likely to be wiped out by an inattentive driver.
Unfortunately inattentive drivers don't fit in with the GER model,so they will never be targeted for enforcement.
More unfortunately you like most kiwis have fallen for NZTA's bullshit

The statistical likelyhood of accidents caused by speed was'nt in any way discussed, and if anything I agree with the inattentive driver bit.....for the sake of argument however i'm pretty sure the stats do show that the majority of crashes are speed related, whether it be from inattention mixed with speed is another matter. Either way it's off the topic from what I was discussing, and my point was missed by you.

The point I was getting at was to do with the fact that although there are worse crimes being committed, enforcing the road rules is equally important. The mere fact that I even mentioned speed was purely an example, as was drink driving.....fuck did you even read the post?

And no, I am in no way under some spell from the NZTA, I never once said that people driving at the speed limit are safe drivers, in fact that whole notion gives me the shits. Fallen for bullshit? that's your wrong presumption, I think it is you who is guilty of falling for your own.

[firefighter]

also they dont get paid mininum wage! (very far from it actualy, ask some people at McDonnalds or some gas station if they would like to start on 42K+)

MacDonalds and a Gas station! Bwahahahaha! That's schoolboy jobs. Do'nt compare professions with jobs kids do! And for their hours they do, it really is minimum wage....42k i'm pretty sure is the new average.......(I was'nt literally meaning minimum/let's call it minimal)

They are recruiting arseholes:
Case 1 - overheard between 2 mechanics in a bike dealership -
" How's that application to join the police going?"
" They didn't like my 5 driving while disqualified convictions,but they said if I stayed clean for 18 months I will reapply successfully"

T'was a time contempt of court was a definate "no way Jose" for a police applicant.

It still is no-way Jose'. I'd say that guy was full of shit. He can re-apply for sure, but i'd put money on it he did'nt get any further.

I have mates who did'nt get accepted (recently) and they're firefighters for far less than that. (One conviction/loss of licence by demerits).

[rastuscat]

Your family is actually more likely to be wiped out by an inattentive driver.
Unfortunately inattentive drivers don't fit in with the GER model,so they will never be targeted for enforcement.
More unfortunately you like most kiwis have fallen for NZTA's bullshit

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the guys I work with target inattentive drivers all the time.

Inattention causes people to not stop at stop signs, fail to keep left on bends, and fail to give way at intersections, amongst other things. All of these things are what we target every day. My guys (and girls) don't focus on speed, we focus on the other things that lead to crashes. Speed needs to be dealt with, but there are enough cops already doing it, so we deal with the things that distracted drivers do.

So there.

[Ixion]

Inattention causes people to not stop at stop signs, fail to keep left on bends, and fail to give way at intersections, amongst other things. All of these things are what we target every day. My guys (and girls) don't focus on speed, we focus on the other things that lead to crashes. So there.

Absolutely first class. And I bet every single person on this site (including the OP) will applaud that approach. Any chance you could get a transfer to Auckland, we don't see any of that up here.

[avgas]

See attachment..............

[Muppet]

Also of course i dont want some dickhead driver hitting my friends and family...BUT i also dont want this "dickhead driver" getting ticket for 111km/h on empty open road (some discretion would be nice still) or even worse i dont want this dickhead driver to hit my family because he was running away from cops because he was afraid of another ticket/loss of licence (yes, its still their responsibility to realize that the driver is not going to stop)

Also i work in telecommunications (IT) so trust me i do come accross some dickheads in my line of work too...but iam not paid to lead by example or to provide public service (job..whatever) from taxpayers money

1. Everything said before 'BUT' is bullshit.

2. You work in IT? Now I'm going to vent my anger at you, why does it take 2 days to get through to Slingshot please? Why does my computer decide to throw a tantrum and refuse to work sometimes?

3. Telecommunicatiions you say? That's a really big word what do you actually do?

4. Are you one of those pricks responsible for the XT network crashing ten times? I want answers since I'll bet I'm paying your wages, directly or indirectly (this is great fun!). Do you actually fix computers or are you just one of those data entry hacks?

[Maha]

I was implying that there must be a fair percentage of greater infringments found when people are pulled over for speeding.

I just get my people onto it and they sort it out.

The dude that rights the ticket is just they in middle man, it doesn't stop there with him at all.
Those that get a speeding ticket (I find) in general, bitch and moan about it.
The way I see it, you have two options.
Pay and shut the fuck up or....
Write in and explain the ticket writers Boss why you think you shouldn't have to pay.

It really works!
The idots that write the tickets out are only (in thier own little world) doing a job.
They dont really care what happens when the ink dries.

[scumdog]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the guys I work with target inattentive drivers all the time.

Inattention causes people to not stop at stop signs, fail to keep left on bends, and fail to give way at intersections, amongst other things. All of these things are what we target every day. My guys (and girls) don't focus on speed, we focus on the other things that lead to crashes. Speed needs to be dealt with, but there are enough cops already doing it, so we deal with the things that distracted drivers do.

So there.

And when you do pull over an inattentive driver they're often worse than a speeder for defending/justifying their driving style.

"I almost stopped'
"Only my right hand wheels went over the yellow line"
"Everybody cuts that corner"
"He didn't have to brake hard so you can't really say I didn't give way and pulled out on front of him"
"What d'ya expect me to do? stop at the sign and hold everybody up?"
"Why aren't you out on the road catching all those speeders on my street instead of pulling me up?"

You wouldn't believe their stories - and neither do I........

[SPman]

Trouble is, lots more warnings meant lots more people failing to get the message, and thus more deaths. In 1973 more than 800 died. We all loved the cops because they gave warnings, but more died.

So - you are equating vehicle standards of 1973 with vehicle standards of 2010. Don't say that the road toll dropped because of heavier traffic enforcement, because that's a load of crap! The predominant reason for the drop in the road toll since 1973 is the vast improvement in vehicle technology, drivability and, to an extent, better roads and road environments. If vehicle standards were still at HQ Holden, Morris Marina, etc levels, the road toll would probably be rather higher than in 1973.
Relying on heavy handed, authoritarian policing and overly restrictive legislation in lieu of constructive education, better driving and attitude training and legislation that reflects that, will, at best, barely maintain the road toll where it is, whilst alienating a large section of the population that would be probably be more supportive of police efforts to effectively target those who are loose cannons on the road.

[SPman]

And when you do pull over an inattentive driver they're often worse than a speeder for defending/justifying their driving style.

"I almost stopped'
.

Would he accept "I almost didn't hit you....."?