It's official - there are some heinous drivers out there

[HenryDorsetCase]

I don't really think that much will happen to these dangerous drivers, because we all know that burnouts and noisy exhausts are far more dangerous than driving on the wrong side of the road around blind corners. The government told me so.

That and 4kph over the limit. In Soviet Russia it is Gulag for 4 kmh over limit, western decadence imposes only a small fine.

[Punchy]

In Soviet Russia, double yellows pass on you.

[Flip]

In Soviet Russia, double yellows pass on you.

Nobody rushes in Russia.

[Ixion]

If you have faith in the model why would you not follow it?
This is not a troll Ixion i would realy like to know why if you think this is the best you wouldn't do it.
It just seems a little odd.

*I* would be delighted to do it. Tell me where to sign up ! But the police High command would never permit the police instructors to run a public course - at any rate one that was more then a half hour lecture. The official police policy is that any sort of advanced training is bad because it makes people speed. Seriously.

[bogan]

Gotta love the Gorge. Can't think of any manawatu rider who hasn't crossed the centre line while riding(racing) the gorge, including me There're some parts of the gorge where passing is safe as you can see quite far ahead of you on some corners, but of course it's easy on a bike unlike a car.

My gripe is with trucks that to me are far too big and long to be using the gorge as I've had to avoid a few trucking comming onto my side of the road from around blind corners.

guilty! the odd time we obeyed the yellows though, and went bout 20kmhr on the straights, and somewhat quicker on the twisty bits. Probably didn't help much with the cager/biker relations with the guys behind us on the straights though

yeh, but thats poor road design rather than truckies fault, and the other options from hb to palmy are even worse!

[Ixion]

[QUOTE]

Well, not exactly nothing when it come to rider training. BRONZ runs Ride Right Ride Safe, about the only permanent not-for-profit rider survival training scheme there is . A full days practical training , plus a free Road Code for $60. Not 'pass your license practical' training, but 'don't get squashed' training, which is a different thing.

[rastuscat]

Just a thought.

I'm a car driver and a bike rider. My decision making is the same on both vehicles. Trouble is, a minor balls up in the car is easily survived, but the same balls up on a bike is way more dangerous. The same numpty (for example, me) make the balls up, but the circumstances (i.e. I'm on a bike) make it worse.

Maybe that's why the stats say we are worse drivers, when is fact we are actually the same, but subject to the risks of riding.

Harumph.

[PirateJafa]

Nobody rushes in Russia.

I beg to differ.

Having lived there for several years, Russian drivers can make New Zealand drivers look positively pedestrian in comparison.

[BoristheBiter]

*I* would be delighted to do it. Tell me where to sign up ! But the police High command would never permit the police instructors to run a public course - at any rate one that was more then a half hour lecture. The official police policy is that any sort of advanced training is bad because it makes people speed. Seriously.

Cheers for that I was just wondering.
You guys do the rrrs course, have you thought for get an old police instructor or the like and run the course for the public?

[Ixion]

It gets complicted, cos of the legalities. Strictly, it's illegal to offer instruction for payment without an instructors endorsement. We did look at doing it for free , but there are expenses which we couldn't cover. And the training at RRRS isn't according to the NZTA syllabus (or whatever they use ). I think one of the 'instructors' is ex MoT. But that's one man. For the whole country.

It's also not easy to find people who have the necessary experience and are good at instructing. Bearing in mind, what we are talking about is not "what the road code says " stuff, nor is it "how to go round corners really fast" either. .

[shrub]

I think the thread has lost it's way (as is often the way with the interwebnet). Katman, Charley Lamb was completely wrong and motorcycling is so incredibly dangerous that none of us should do it unless we're on speed-limited GN250s with trainer wheels wearing high vis vests and have completed a minimum of a brazillian hours rider training. Happy?

My observation was that finally the cuntstabulary are openly admitting that there are a lot of bloody icompetent drivers, and maybe the biggest cause of accidents is incompetent drivers.

[Elysium]

I think the thread has lost it's way (as is often the way with the interwebnet). Katman, Charley Lamb was completely wrong and motorcycling is so incredibly dangerous that none of us should do it unless we're on speed-limited GN250s with trainer wheels wearing high vis vests and have completed a minimum of a brazillian hours rider training. Happy?

My observation was that finally the cuntstabulary are openly admitting that there are a lot of bloody icompetent drivers, and maybe the biggest cause of accidents is incompetent drivers.

This sums it up.

[shrub]

This sums it up.

Nice piece of kit! Damn we'd all be so safe on that puppy - all we need is a nice little man to walk in front of us carrying a red flag and motorcycling will be safe.

[Katman]

I think the thread has lost it's way (as is often the way with the interwebnet). Katman, Charley Lamb was completely wrong and motorcycling is so incredibly dangerous that none of us should do it unless we're on speed-limited GN250s with trainer wheels wearing high vis vests and have completed a minimum of a brazillian hours rider training. Happy?

My observation was that finally the cuntstabulary are openly admitting that there are a lot of bloody icompetent drivers, and maybe the biggest cause of accidents is incompetent drivers.

You're clearly as retarded as that T.W.R. clown.

The biggest cause of motorcycle accidents is a combination of poor motorcyclists attitudes and poor motorcyclists hazard awareness skills.

[shrub]

You're clearly as retarded as that T.W.R. clown.

The biggest cause of motorcycle accidents is a combination of poor motorcyclists attitudes and poor motorcyclists hazard awareness skills.

Yes, of course it is. That and the fact that motorcycles are dangerous and fall over. And isn't it great that finally the authorities are recognising that a hell of a lot of car drivers are incompetent? Maybe we will start seeing a break from the "deal with speeding and you deal with vehicle crashes" mentality.