Tickets for 4km/h over the speed limit this Queens Birthday weekend

[imdying]

What Patrick wrote (even if accidentaly, and meant as joke) is a truth and you all know it very well...

Yup, he's quite correct, people don't give a fuck about killing other people, but they do about having to pay tickets. And you can't say that's not the truth, as you're the number one example.

[miloking]

Yup, he's quite correct, people don't give a fuck about killing other people, but they do about having to pay tickets. And you can't say that's not the truth, as you're the number one example.

We are talking about two completely different "truths" here:

1) people dont give a fuck about other people but money! (i agree, and yes iam the prime example)
2) "Speed Kills" campaign isnt about safety but about money! (well this is not news but it seems some of you still dont get it)

Its all fucking only about money!

[R-Soul]

My personal guess is the weather will have a bigger impact than any marginal speed reduction. Especially when you consider the average speed is already below 100km/h thanks to most modern speedo's having a deliberate 6% error at 100km/h.

Thats why I ride at 120kph- to account for calibration error of speedo and cops clearance of 4-10kph....

[Reckless]

Thats why I ride at 120kph- to account for calibration error of speedo and cops clearance of 4-10kph....

I haven't read every post and this may have been covered but the truth of it's right there!!! Nothing personal r-soul but lowering the tolerence don't mean sqaut to the speeders. None of them travel at 104 anyway and the fines/Demerits are still the same for 120 or 130K over. So WTF???
Its just an exersize in stupidity, even the cops realise it and also realise what stupid damage the palimenterians are doing to there increasingly fragile image. Whoever dreamed this up needs a bloody good rodgering!!

[Brian d marge]

Oh for heavens sake Stephen, get over the revenue gathering thing.

Tickets for 5 km/h over get a $30 fine. I could stake out any stop sign in the country and make $150 per time, any time of any day. If it were about revenue gathering, why would I nonce around with $30?

So there.

well what else do u want me to call it ? user pays transport system ? effective policing ?

or how about health care expenditure reduction plan?

We have been through this in other threads , the roading policies are , lets just say not very well thought out

and if you combine the cameras , and contacts per hour , it adds up to a tidy sum entering the general tax pool

4 km tolerance is ridiculous

Stephen

[rastuscat]

Wow i think we are finaly getting somewhere, bravo!!!! Thats all that i wanted to hear from at least one cop...the TRUTH about speeding in this country!

My suggestion is "Speed Contributes To The Nastiness Of Crashes, As Well As Causing Some".

I like Patricks one though.

[Swoop]

Saw on the news that the AA are advocating spending as little time on the wrong side of the road as possible. With their test, it took 20 seconds to safely pass a slower vehicle (travelling at 90 such as a vehicle towing a trailer) when going 104km/h. That's a long time on the wrong side of the road!
I'm gonna predict a lot more idiotic inappropriate overtaking out of sheer frustration.

That test by the AA involved ONE vehicle managing to complete the overtake. Considering the length of overtaking bays, this creates a decent blockage of traffic. There will be a shitload of pissed-off drivers out there if that happens!
It will be interesting to see the outcome of the long weekend, due to the kiwi mentality to go out and get killed on the roads. If the roadtoll is greater this year than others, will we see even more stupid approaches to road policing?

[rastuscat]

well what else do u want me to call it ? user pays transport system ? effective policing ?

or how about health care expenditure reduction plan?

We have been through this in other threads , the roading policies are , lets just say not very well thought out

and if you combine the cameras , and contacts per hour , it adds up to a tidy sum entering the general tax pool

4 km tolerance is ridiculous

Stephen

Interesting. Call it what you like, no excess speed = no speeding ticket. It also means less chance of a crash happening, and less damage if it does.

So, slow down for whatever reason you want, as long as you do. No, not you personally, in generic terms I mean.

Ho hum.

[onearmedbandit]

Lets put the safety issue aside for a moment, is it really about revenue or votes? The government are seen to be doing something about the road toll that a lot of the public buy hook line and sinker. Speeders have now been tarred as the scourge of society, wrecking havoc all over our roads. The majority of the public are happy, even if they do speed themselves the odd time (but they're above average drivers who can handle it, not like that guy that just passed them) because the killers on our roads are being targeted in a way that doesn't affect them (for the most part).

It would be political suicide for the government that tried to introduce tougher license regulations. Stringent retesting every 5yrs, compulsory defensive driving and emergency car control courses. All of this would cost a lot more, so up goes the cost of your license to cover it (like is done in other countries), but it would do a great deal more for road safety than sitting on the side of a road with a radar. However, it would be a vote loser. After all, it's not us who is the problem, it's the other guy.

[Brian d marge]

Interesting. Call it what you like, no excess speed = no speeding ticket. It also means less chance of a crash happening, and less damage if it does.

So, slow down for whatever reason you want, as long as you do. No, not you personally, in generic terms I mean.

Ho hum.

who will walk in front with the red flag?

its not the speed that i personally have issue with , its the general roading policy it could be so much better if a little thouht ( which has been well documented by European , canadian reseach institutions )

suffice to say the 80/20 rule tends to apply with drivers 80 % tend to drive to a safe speed / style as perceived by the driver with a few exceeding this

So on a long straight road , 80 % will drift to 110 ish , and a few will be 140 ish , but over a twisty mountain pass 80 % will be 60km and a few 80 + but according to the Royal smart person all rural roads are 100kph more or less


I personally find 100 kph a little to fast as I am used to Japanese roads which are small and crowded also do no have footpaths so the average speed between 40 and 60 kph ( actually I used a gps the other day to measure my average speed when the wife went to pick up the new curtains ., just over 20 kph for the whole journey , peaking at 30 something

Basically IMHO , crashes cost money , and higher speed crashes tend to cause more damage , which needs more health care dollars , soooo.... reduce the speed, reduce the spending , doesn't address the basics ( we have no money and are shocking drivers )

Stephen

[Ixion]

I haven't read every post and this may have been covered but the truth of it's right there!!! Nothing personal r-soul but lowering the tolerence don't mean sqaut to the speeders. None of them travel at 104 anyway and the fines/Demerits are still the same for 120 or 130K over. So WTF???
..!

Precisely so. I never speed myself, or course, becasue speed kills (this I know for the government tells me so). But those who DO speed won't be at al laffected by this, because , by definition, they're not travelling at 105-110 anyway.

The person who will be affected is Stan who travels at (he thinks) 100kph. And is loud in condemning those idiot speeders. But in reality he often drifts up to 110, because he isn't paying attention .(He never does). So now he will maybe get caught. Which will make him as loud in denouncing the cops as in denouncing speeders . Way to go, make friends and get the public on side, Mr Broad.

[HenryDorsetCase]

who will walk in front with the red flag?

Serena Williams

[oldrider]

Serena Williams

This could be a long ride! (I hope)

[miloking]

Staying up all day and all night to beat some high score just to piss someone off.
How could i be angry with someone that has such a pathetic lonely life as that.
Pity is the word i would use.

Nah dont worry it didnt take me long, and i couldnt sleep anyway...all those hot chicks in my bed kept me awake all night so i decided to get up and squash some of your high scores

[Mudfart]

Go on, let us know what you want us to do.

Like, instead of just sitting and grizzling about what we are doing, actually have a sensible idea and maybe we'll try it.

So there.

well if the rodney peeps can do a go slow protest holding up shitloads of queens birthday traffic (and not get issued tickets for going slow), then why cant we?