Why are cops beating speeding motorcyclists?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So, let me just check if I've got this right.

According to the police defenders how it works is, cops deal with criminals. Criminals being nasty people they abuse and bash other people. Since cops have to deal with the criminals, the criminals bash and abuse the cops.

Therefore, the cops are entitled to bash and abuse ordinary law abiding citizens. Because the cops reckon we're all criminals.

Have I got that right?

But,one thing that I'm not clear on, if criminals bash and abuse ordinary people and cops bash and abuse ordinary people, how do we tell the cops from the criminals?.

Oh, of course. The uniform. So what distinguishes cops from criminals is the uniform. Correct ?

I was in the midst of saying something similar when I read this post. Totally unnecessary now.

[Berries]

Not sure why people think this has anything to do with the North Island - http://www.odt.co.nz/tags/odt-print-...s-found-guilty.

If you are going to do a runner, make sure you get away. Safely.

[KiwiIngenuity]

I think what this article shows is that the Police have no tolerance for this sort of inappropriate behavior at all. Clearly, two Police Officers may (or may not have, as some evidence would lead me to believe) made a mistake and are now facing the penalties.

No it shouldn't happen at all, but when it does (because Police are just human too), they face the music. The thing that annoys me is when people bag on the Police and then call them when their house gets broken into. If you don't think they can do their job in one capacity, why should you ask for their help in another. I know plenty of cops, and they are ALL good guys and girls. Its unfortunate that they have to put up with a lot of the stick they do because of the few bad police.

[scumdog]

I think what this article shows is that the Police have no tolerance for this sort of inappropriate behavior at all. Clearly, two Police Officers may (or may not have, as some evidence would lead me to believe) made a mistake and are now facing the penalties.

No it shouldn't happen at all, but when it does (because Police are just human too), they face the music. The thing that annoys me is when people bag on the Police and then call them when their house gets broken into. If you don't think they can do their job in one capacity, why should you ask for their help in another. I know plenty of cops, and they are ALL good guys and girls. Its unfortunate that they have to put up with a lot of the stick they do because of the few bad police.

Yeah but you don't get any bad behaviour/incompetence from the likes of IT and 'pute guys, do you?

Oh that's right, I fogot, they don't have to uphold the law.....or obey it......

[blackdog]

Yeah but you don't get any bad behaviour/incompetence from the likes of IT and 'pute guys, do you?

Oh that's right, I fogot, they don't have to uphold the law.....or obey it......

they upload the law

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yeah but you don't get any bad behaviour/incompetence from the likes of IT and 'pute guys, do you?

Oh that's right, I fogot, they don't have to uphold the law.....or obey it......

Neither do catholic priests eh so it must be okay eh!.

Tell me, if police find it so easy to accept and use (for their own) the somewhat questionable excuse 'after all, we are only human too'. Why do so many of them seem to have no regard for similar excuses from Joe public?

Let me tell you what I think the reason is.
The average police officer thinks he is better than Joe public. He holds himself to a higher standard and expects people to respect him unquestionably for that.

Joe public has a higher expectation of the police and given police intollerance toward Joe public when he sets a foot wrong... Well ya can't have your cake and eat it without expecting some fuss eh! (unless your name is Rint clickhard)

[Smifffy]

According to the video the working class consider them superiors.

As to the bit about you keep saying regarding restriction of freedoms, how is enforcing the speed limit a restriction on anyone's freedom?

Last I checked, blasting along at +4 km/hr wasn't a fundamental human right, it is a breach of the legal requirements for being in control of motorised transport.

I don't like getting tickets, and I think the 4k thing is nit picky, but I don't see how it can be a restriction of freedoms.

Neither do catholic priests eh so it must be okay eh!.

Tell me, if police find it so easy to accept and use (for their own) the somewhat questionable excuse 'after all, we are only human too'. Why do so many of them seem to have no regard for similar excuses from Joe public?

Let me tell you what I think the reason is.
The average police officer thinks he is better than Joe public. He holds himself to a higher standard and expects people to respect him unquestionably for that.

Joe public has a higher expectation of the police and given police intollerance toward Joe public when he sets a foot wrong... Well ya can't have your cake and eat it without expecting some fuss eh! (unless your name is Rint clickhard)

[flyingcrocodile46]

According to the video the working class consider them superiors.

As to the bit about you keep saying regarding restriction of freedoms, how is enforcing the speed limit a restriction on anyone's freedom?

Last I checked, blasting along at +4 km/hr wasn't a fundamental human right, it is a breach of the legal requirements for being in control of motorised transport.

I don't like getting tickets, and I think the 4k thing is nit picky, but I don't see how it can be a restriction of freedoms.

My comment was intended to be a bit more generalised. This isn't a thread about speeding but rather cops thinking they are above the law.

In the post in which I mentioned our diminishing freedom. I was meaning our freedom in the bigger picture. The more laws that are imposed the more restrictions are imposed on our freedom to enjoy doing things. Be it speeding or buying flu remedies which are now banned from over the counter sales. The merits for having the laws/rules aside (If we all exercised the same degree of common sense and decency we wouldn't need laws) the fact that we have them, diminishes our freedom to do things that (when done responsibly are ok) we might happen to enjoy or otherwise enhance our life experience. While cops don't make the laws they do have the power of discretion so they influence how palatable the laws are. IMO cops don't exercise enough discretion and judges exercise too much.

Look at the loss of experience our children experience as compared to our own thanks to OSH alone. Can't play bull rush and outward bound type schools are now so sanitised that the experience is hardly worth the effort. Try and run a charitable event where the public are involved and like it as not the compliance requirements to organise it will eat up everyone's donated time before the event is halfway organised. (a little glimpse of a fragment of the 'bigger picture')

[Kickaha]

My comment was intended to be a bit more generalised. This isn't a thread about speeding but rather cops thinking they are above the law.

So if you're not a cop but think you're above the law is that ok then?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So if you're not a cop but think you're above the law is that ok then?

Is the pope catholi............ Oh! hang on. He's Hitler Youth

[motor_mayhem]

Honestly by and large I don't blame the front line policeman/woman generally, the are a few arseholes but I think most are good BUT I do blame the chief of police wrote his open letter justifying why they can police the speed limit this holday weekend to 5 kmh and I have no doubt that "Shotgun" Steve Joyce (He's firing off blindly in all directions in the hope he might hit "the cause" of NZ's Road toll) had something to do with it. I have seen nothing to make me believe that 110 is a great deal worse than 105, and would rather they policed in AREAS that are more dangerous rather than areas that are likely to render more income, i.e. a flat straight dual carriage way is an area of lower risk compared to a double yellowed blind corner with a cliff down one side.

To give credit where credit is due I think their campaign to catch people who stray onto the wrong side was really good and time/resources well spent as there is nothing that scares me more no matter whether I am a driver or a passenger in any vehicle.

Apologies if this sounds like a rhetorical but it is an issue that enrages me a bit. I probably phrased it better here

[flyingcrocodile46]

and would rather they policed in AREAS that are more dangerous rather than areas that are likely to render more income, i.e. a flat straight dual carriage way is an area of lower risk compared to a double yellowed blind corner with a cliff down one side.

To give credit where credit is due I think their campaign to catch people who stray onto the wrong side was really good and time/resources well spent as there is nothing that scares me more no matter whether I am a driver or a passenger in any vehicle.

Good post. A very good point raised re appropriate areas to police for speeding (take note police) and yes, the campaign to catch center line crossers was spot on. That is sensible targeting and policing

[Berries]

But the view is that if you speed in one place, the flat straight bits, you are the type of person who will speed on the gnarly bits. Likewise, if you are the type of person who crosses the centreline when there is perfectly good visibility you should be nicked because you are clearly the type of person who crosses the centreline when there is no visibility. Personally I can't see the link. Crossing the centreline when there is excellent visibility may be against the rules, but it isn't unsafe, and doing so in no way implies you are the kind of driver/rider who would cut the corner if visibility were restricted. In both cases though, the former is much easier than the latter to observe and enforce, which all comes back to the same thing, the focus on the easy subjects to the detriment of other risk causing behaviours.

[Big Dave]

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

[scumdog]

the campaign to catch center line crossers was spot on. That is sensible targeting and policing

Not by the comments of some on KB it wasn't sensible.

but in reality it is sensible policing.