Interesting reading - speed limit tolerance

[rwh]

I don't claim to be "right" about anything beyond a belief that trying to link an 800% decrease in fatalities to a minor tweaking of speed tolerance is disingenuous at best. Our Masters tell us that speed is a factor in 30% of crashes, so if they're right and our admirably zealous cuntstables managed to stop everyone from speeding, all you'd see is a 30% decrease. Any statistician who tried to identify a causal relationship with such limited data would be laughed at.

Basically he's talking shit.

On that subject ... a reduction from 24 to 3 is an 87.5% decrease, not 800%.

Richard

[shrub]

On that subject ... a reduction from 24 to 3 is an 87.5% decrease, not 800%.

Richard

Correct.

And it looks like Paula Rose et al are patting themselves on the back and declaring the 4 kmh tolerance an unmitigated suceess, and will make it universal. I predict that within 12 months Our Masters will have 4 kmh the default tolerance. They will then sit back and ignore the real problem: a hell of a lot of people who just don't have the skill to drive a car safely on the roads, even at 54 kmh.

[Kickaha]

So why don't they concentrate on shitty driving rather than speed or is it just more likely that motorcyclists as a group having such outstanding bike control don't ever get pulled up for anything other than speeding?

Is the information regarding what tickets are issued for available to the public?

[Ocean1]

So why don't they concentrate on shitty driving rather than speed

Greatest Enforcable Risk.

"Shitty" usually ain't quantifiable. What's more it don't figure in their current policy set, quite the reverse, they actively campaign against anything that might detract from budget allocated to speed enforcement.

They've got one thing in their favour: it's inarguable that speed causes injuries. But that's also not the full story eh?

[duckonin]

Can you prove otherwise?

Again why should I have to prove otherwise, have you not got a brain to get it figured out yourself?, maybe I could start you off to help you out ..Now lets start at (1) and we go to (50) variables that is, forget the 5k's..One =inattention 2=that is for you to do by the time you get to 50 you should have it all worked out, then you should see what I wrote would or may be correct....would even invite Scumdog to participate,maybe you could do it together, yep a good bonding session for you boys in the South..Scummy is such a knowledgeable person he should get at least one right without having to rely on being brainwashed by his superior's...

[Kickaha]

then you should see what I wrote would or may be correct.....

The crucial word being "may" but then again it may not

[duckonin]

The crucial word being "may" but then again it may not

HAHA ..if you apply yourself to the task I set you then you may see it in a different light..

[Kickaha]

.would even invite Scumdog to participate,maybe you could do it together, yep a good bonding session for you boys in the South..

Well I am in Dunedin shortly maybe I will call down to see him and ask for his help

[quickbuck]

Okay,
Has anybody carried out an "Accident vs Fuel Price" analysis?

I have always said the price of fuel has more to do with traffic behaviour than any amount of policing ever will.

This is because, as has been alluded to, drivers tend to behave better with Police Presents.
However, we ALL feel it when you don't get as much fuel for your dollar... OR, the tank costs twice as much to fill as a couple of years ago (Depends how you look at it).

As shrub said, we need to wait a little while for the trend to emerge before people pat themselves on the back.
Heck, dare i say it, a minivan could go off Bully Point, and that would throw the figures right out of there....

[MSTRS:Me]

Okay,

Heck, dare i say it, a minivan could go off Bully Point, and that would throw the figures right out of there....

You are right. Imagine the hand-wringing that would go on, if a tour bus with 45 on board went over Skippers. All killed. Give it a month or two, and all that 'they' would look at would be the number. Statistical anomoly. And one that would be ignored, other than "This is unacceptably high. We need to slower speeds (or some other crock that is meaningless)"

[scumdog]

You are right. Imagine the hand-wringing that would go on, if a tour bus with 45 on board went over Skippers. All killed. Give it a month or two, and all that 'they' would look at would be the number. Statistical anomoly. And one that would be ignored, other than "This is unacceptably high. We need to slower speeds (or some other crock that is meaningless)"

Of course if the tours bus in the Skippers had been speeding...??

[Blinkwing]

So why don't they concentrate on shitty driving rather than speed

Focus on speeding:
+Easier than focusing on driver education.
+More revenue via fines.
-Not a long term solution, does not address the real issue.

Focus on driver education:
-Loss leader, no revenue gain.
-Less licensing income (revenue) due to shittier drivers being refused licenses.
+Less wankers on the road.

That's all I can think of, but of course, these are just general guesses .. not concrete evidence. The next post may as well shoot my post out of the water.

[Mudfart]

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...650061&ref=rss
erm, as far as I'm aware a queens birthday weekend is 3 days and today is sunday, the second day. Lets just wait and see how many get caught out on the slippery roads with bad weather.
however I'm all for the new policy if it makes cars think more about actually driving as a skill rather than an instinct of "get in the car and go".
Coz that means they will be more aware of bikes. Lets face it, even the biggest most uncoordinated moron can and does get their license.
I've not heard of anyone being that crap, that they never get a license.

[Genestho]

It's a pity we couldn't go ahead and do something like this summary of 100 car study, quite interesting info gathered....

[Headbanger]

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...650061&ref=rss

God damn, are the people in charge really that fucking stupid?

I find it hard to believe they have reached the positions they have when that is the shit they come out with.

I'm also waiting for our resident cops to put their brains in gear, are they even capable anymore?

or is it a case of........baaaaaaa?