Why are cops beating speeding motorcyclists?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So you know him better than any of us.

Is he the sort of person who would make a good cop (one you could look up to) or a bad cop (one you'd look down on)?

He is susceptible to the same pressures as anyone else and as I am the first to admit.. it is a shit job with more pressure than many others. Truth is he isn't mature enough yet and would succumb to peer pressure so I would say No.

However with a few more years (5-10) life experiences I would expect that he would develop sufficient self confidence and inner strength to maybe last the distance.

[Katman]

Truth is, it's not about you giving him any parental guidance at all.

It's about you trying to force your own fetid prejudices on to him while he's still "young and susceptible".

Way to go Dad.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Hmmm, I must be in a different country - thank goodness I'm not sharing yours.

And your job is?

A chippie by trade, then Foreman, site manager then project manager then construction manager (approx $100 million worth of builds). I have since changed career focus and moved into consultancy. I am a share holder in a Building Consent Authority that I contract to. I review reports and disputes along with other issues resulting in legal claims and provide expert evidence in the meditations and determinations that follow. I am also a qualified weathertightness expert.

No great shakes as far as careers go and certainly not a community focused career, but I do it to the best of my ability and do it well.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Not at all. That is simply your unqualified opinion.

[scumdog]

A chippie by trade, then Foreman, site manager then project manager then construction manager (approx $100 million worth of builds). I have since changed career focus and moved into consultancy. I am a share holder in a Building Consent Authority that I contract to. I review reports and disputes along with other issues resulting in legal claims and provide expert evidence in the meditations and determinations that follow. I am also a qualified weathertightness expert.

No great shakes as far as careers go and certainly not a community focused career, but I do it to the best of my ability and do it well.

If I was some slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted improvident bozo (and there's a shit load of THEM on this site) I would at this point say "Ah, so youz are one of them wot was the cause of them leaky home things, watchoo gonna do about it, eh, eh?"

Sorta in the manner a lot on KB tag me because of the actions of a few of those in the same occupation as me. (or use to be in the same occupation)

Ah, there's nothing like 'tarring them all with the one brush' eh?

[flyingcrocodile46]

If I was some slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted improvident bozo (and there's a shit load of THEM on this site) I would at this point say "Ah, so youz are one of them wot was the cause of them leaky home things, watchoo gonna do about it, eh, eh?"

Sorta in the manner a lot on KB tag me because of the actions of a few of those in the same occupation as me. (or use to be in the same occupation)

Ah, there's nothing like 'tarring them all with the one brush' eh?

Point taken. However you might be pleased to know that I have been working as effectively as the industry and my peers will allow, to address our industry failures (and there are many of them in our very very sick industry). I am doing my bit (everything I can) to man up to and address my industry failures (about 10% of the way there so far). Can you say the same? I sense that you may be able too as reading between the lines I think you may be one of the good guys.

[Katman]

Point taken. However you might be pleased to know that I have been working as effectively as the industry and my peers will allow, to address our industry failures (and there are many of them in our very very sick industry). I am doing my bit (everything I can) to man up to and address my industry failures. Can you say the same? (I sense that you may be able too as reading between the lines I think you may be one of the good guys)

Does your head spin from the effects of your sudden about-facing?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Does your head spin from the effects of your sudden about-facing?

"About facing"?

[Spearfish]

A chippie by trade, then Foreman, site manager then project manager then construction manager (approx $100 million worth of builds). I have since changed career focus and moved into consultancy. I am a share holder in a Building Consent Authority that I contract to. I review reports and disputes along with other issues resulting in legal claims and provide expert evidence in the meditations and determinations that follow. I am also a qualified weathertightness expert.

No great shakes as far as careers go and certainly not a community focused career, but I do it to the best of my ability and do it well.

The industry of building shyt standard buildings then gouging the poor owner for more than the whole house cost to build to just re-clad it. Talk about builders doing a u turn in the path a whole family and not following procedures and industry guidelines, then fining the family more than the house is worth just to do a re clad (quota, pie fund?). If the struggling family don't and the building industry deems the house is unfit (demerits and water detectors) they condemn the house (green sticker) confiscate their house until they do(to many demerits).
Talk about an industry easily amused by a locked building shed, a rolled up house plan or accepted over priced re-clade quote and a jar of Vaseline.

[flyingcrocodile46]

The industry of building shyt standard buildings then gouging the poor owner for more than the whole house cost to build to just re-clad it. Talk about builders doing a u turn in the path a whole family and not following procedures and industry guidelines, then fining the family more than the house is worth just to do a re clad (quota, pie fund?). If the struggling family don't and the building industry deems the house is unfit (demerits and water detectors) they condemn the house (green sticker) confiscate their house until they do(to many demerits).
Talk about an industry easily amused by a locked building shed, a rolled up house plan or accepted over priced re-clade quote and a jar of Vaseline.

You make the cause of leaky buildings sound so simple. I assure you that it isn't. Shitty builders are only a small part of the issue. Quite happy to discuss the issue in depth if you want to start a thread about it.

btw, to the very best of my knowledge nobody has had their leaky building condemned (as BCA's or the DBH are the only party that can do so, and have not done so to my knowledge) and certainly they do not "confiscate" houses.

[caseye]

Wow. come on now you lot,there are a lot of ordianry builders out there getting caned for building houses EXACTLY to the Architects plan, you know the one the COUNCIL signs off on.
I too come from the building industry and over the years I've supplied some pretty shitty timber to some very big companies, timber that should have been used for noggs/Dwangs(just for you scumdog) which of course it was not.
Leaky buildings have been with us for a very long time, real builders protested at the lack of overhangs and the wood pulp now used by the big boys of the house cladding industry in the manufacturer of cladding that was supposed to be the bees knees.
Going back to the builders and construction companies, my last job as a construction company mamanger often entailed fighting council building inspectors to get the proper materials to do our job properly with out using the materials as quoted on the council approved plan. Council will tell you that unless the specified(leaky home making stuff) materials as per plan were used that they would NOT SIGN the CONSENT Off.
A viscious circle of big player, buying approval for inferior products to be manufactured here for supply to our own building industry who had to use it in the absence of any other sanctioned product.
Individual builders, specifiers, home owners had no choice but to use the crap as there was no longer anything else to use, now they are bearing the brunt of the Govt's and Councils incompetence and in many casaes they are going bankrupt for real, while trying to extract themselves from a mess not of their making.
The biggest leaky home problems are within the BULK Housing estates where big companies made MoonBeams selling house built out of cardboard, using hammer hands with little or no experience of proper construction techniques, who did not need to know of them because they simply had to put a jigsaw together.
Anyhow,way off topic.
For the record I ride with Croc, he likes a good stir, he's had his fair share of run ins with the constabulary, but I'd still say he's given his boy a fair assesement overall of his own experiences and of what to expect if he joined up and that if his son did decide to join he'd help him to become a damn fine officer, funnily enough,it works that way on many occassions.

[scumdog]

Hell, even me flash gargre (with the flash pointy red manufacturers emblem on it) leaks from the roof about 6 feet up from the spouting in a couple of places in certain rain/wind-direction circumstances - and the building ain't that old.

I just put plastic ice-cream pottles under the leaks.

Pisses me off but nowt I can do about it.

[caseye]

scumdog, did they nail/screw it down on the top o the ridges or in the pans >
Mate some of em are so stupid that could've been whats happened.
otherwise it's a possible shit in the overlap situation. either way it can be fixed.
Call the lousy BS's that built it and have em come fix it!
Tell them you know a lot of people be interested in not using their product again if they slack about too much. A bit of stick never goes astray.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Hell, even me flash gargre (with the flash pointy red manufacturers emblem on it) leaks from the roof about 6 feet up from the spouting in a couple of places in certain rain/wind-direction circumstances - and the building ain't that old.

I just put plastic ice-cream pottles under the leaks.

Pisses me off but nowt I can do about it.

If your garage roof leak is away from the gable ends and lower edge then it is likely that it is leaking at either fixing points, sheet laps (facing wrong way or insufficient lap) or the ridge flashing (particularly if the required turned up ends have not been formed at the top edge of the sheets). Give the manufacturer a call and ask them to have a look at it. It is likely a very easy fix. Another possible problem that may occur is condensation (interior moisture) If it is warm inside the garage it is likely that the moisture vapour level is quite high and as the warm air rises to contact the roofing iron (moisture vapour passes through the roof underlay) the air temperature drops forcing the vapour to tun into water which can then run down the underlay until it finds a hole (at sheet fixings, tears or incorrectly formed laps in the underlay etc) then fills your milk bottles.

Cheers Caseye.

[Ixion]

It's not a leaky building problem. It's a rotting building problem. All wooden buildings leak, sooner or later. Always have. Which is why ,for 50 years, anyone who knew which end of a hammer was which knew that you didn't use untreated pine .

Then some big corporate saw a chance for more profits, got the rules changed, and architects started specifying untreated pine.

Now the buildings are rotting. Gee, who'd have thought.

Not the chippies fault, they just follow what's on the plans. Ask, who made money out of using untreated pine