Tickets for 4km/h over the speed limit this Queens Birthday weekend

[scumdog]

No, they serve their time and can then go back.

With Police in NZ if they kick you out, its forever.

Aw, ya meanie, there was bound to have been some good trolling could have been had from that 'fact' ya jst shot down...

[Ocean1]

Over Here is a full list of the demerit points you can get for quite a few common offences. Study the road code, then you won't get any nasty surprises if you break the rules and get caught.

Well this is a bit of a surprise: Passing or attempting to pass where no-passing lines are marked on the road: 35 points

I've heard officialdom refering to them as "no passing" lines before, but I've also understood that they were, in fact "no crossing" lines.

Anyone care to clarify?

[red mermaid]

Playing with words....are you a lawyer?

Well this is a bit of a surprise: Passing or attempting to pass where no-passing lines are marked on the road: 35 points

I've heard officialdom refering to them as "no passing" lines before, but I've also understood that they were, in fact "no crossing" lines.

Anyone care to clarify?

[Ocean1]

Playing with words....are you a lawyer?

Less syllables, perhaps...

Is one allowed to pass another vehicle on a road with yellow lines if one doesn’t cross the line?

[Patrick]

I highly doubt the speed made him crash, Unless he had been snorting it.
It was more likley the police officer chasing him to give him a $150 ticket for not wearing said helmet, that made him look in the mirror more than he should have been, that made him crash...

Yeah.... right.... I forgot you were there.....

He saw the passing cop car, knew he had been regognised (because of the no helmet thing....) and was gone. 1 litre sports bike, disqualified, liked initiating a pursuit but he was gone before the thought entered the cops head. Too fast for the corner about 3ks away, at least we got to see what was going through his head...................

really?
the notice I recieved last month says " Speeding offences incur 35 demerit points " no graduation mentioned
and it was for 20km/h over the limit

Must use different snake books up them ways.....

Patrick, I am not going to refute what you said happened! However counter (as I said) your argument for speeding.

What you have provided is an excuse not a justifiable rational reason to exceed the limit.

You really are shitting me.......... Ths was an excuse and NOT a justifiable reason????????????????????????? WTF?????????

Now call me callous, call me what you what. However; like most excuses you have failed to mention other factors that would determine the outcome of the incident, like:

• Time delay in the informant contacting Police, (The caller was watching what was happening but was too scared to step in himself.... just as well..... he too would have been stabbed wiothout a doubt..... It was "hot off the press..."
• Location of the informant in relation to the incident, (what could the informant see or hear) (See above.......
• Credibility and content of informants information (until your arrival it may have just been a Dommy being misinterpreted), The screams in the background were plainly clear that tis was not a dommie. Even if it was a dommie, it was a serious one.....
• Time of day (relevant to both foot and vehicle traffic),Auckland Central City - Albert Park. Doesn't matter. It is always busy.....
• Were you acting alone or being directed to an SFP, (speeding only to wait) Nope - get in there - NOW!!
• Your location in relation to the incident (did you come from Fort, or Cook St, were you already patrolling/ attending a job if so where?), Responded from Grey lynn - 10k journey?
• Other attending Units location in relation to the incident,One was closer. Just one.
• Other units not logged on but in close proximity,None

I could ask many more questions. In the cold light of day these would just reinforce that you had no justifiable reason to speed and that your speed would not have changed the outcome.

You could - and I could answer... but what is the point. I know she was dead if I didn't get there as soon as I did..... So does she. So does the witness. So do the other cops who arrived. So did the ambos. So did the Hosptial staff. So did her family. But hey - you know better.......

Again call me callous, but you could not have prevent either the Rape or the Stabbing, as for her living? That again raises more questions; what was the weapon, where were the entry wounds etc.

Upper torso, front and rear, and neck. Multiple entry wounds. Knives don't run out of ammo.....

Had she died it would have just been handed over to CIB as another Homicide.

Yeah. That w ould have been a good result.....????

Finally you stated 'She was thankful we got there as fast as we did...'. She would however not have been thankful if you did not get there at all due to crashing as result of your speeding.

Spoken for truth - which is why I don't crash....

I could list the number of alleged offenders that have successfully decamped and evaded due to Police crashes or the number of victims that have had a delayed attendance due to the same.

Go on then. Bet you can't.

Who are you trying to kid???.Anyone here want to help this poster out?
If the young lady in question was your daughter, wife, girlfriend would you be happy if the attending POlice obeyed the speed limit and got there after the event.
There is a time and a Place, this is definitely one of them.
Yes some offenders have got away with their henious crimes, but many more of them have been apprehended and put away by diligent Police doing thier jobs and taking the risk of crashing and being prosecuted if they do so and are proved to be in the wrong.
Here we go again, give the crims everything they ask for.
It's not worth your life.
I've seen footage( another thing that our kids should not be exposed to, news media BS) of an offender taking everything he wanted, getting his victims to do his bidding and then shooting them dead! On our (thats here in New Zealand) Televisions.Did being a lie down, I give up, whimp as prescribed by our own Police experts????, help that poor bastard?
If criminals are given carte blanche to do as they pleasae, they will.
We will be raped, mugged and killed in ever increasing numbers in direct proportion to our gutlessness,weak willedness(hey a new word) as prescribed by so called experts who preach the "give it too them it's safer" approach in fact should be saying,FIGHT BACK, with everything you've got, make the barstards work for their criminally gotten gains.
The message should be, come on crim , try it here, we will deal to you and our law will put you away for good.
Ha some chance of that here in NZ with so many weak willed ninnies about.

I tried - but alas.... it is probably a waste of time....

Stop and take a breath Caseye!

Your alarmist approach is a typical knee jerk reaction which is based off hysteria and fear rather than fact.

Nope - the facts are there, for all to see.

Most of reply needs to address the Justice system not the Enforcement system.

People die, are raped and hurt everyday. If it was my Mother, wife, daughter, sister or brother that is totally irrelevant. Speeding to get to them will not prevent them from being raped, beaten or hurt.

It stopped her from being killed and raped. It didn;t stop the secual assault with intent to rape or the stabbing, but it did stop more of it at least.

Not speeding to an incident does not make a unit or Police gutless or weak. Fact a Unit speeding to an incident creates more of a risk to the innocent than harm to the victim.

Conversely you need to address why a Unit may be engaged in a Pursuit. If the pursuit is the result of, 'fails to Give Way' or 'I suspect...x, y, z' the Offence out-ways the reason for the risk. There are always better ways to catch a bad guy other than sitting on their tail and chasing them.

To counter your argument about giving alleged criminals carte blanch access to keep repeating Offences, lies with the sentencing laws not the Enforcement laws . Police Unit speeding to stop something already happening is a far higher risk if it does not get there!!

Most serious incidents are not about (cuse the pun) 'charging in guns blazing', its about assessment of the risks and tactical options. If you charge into a situation without due consideration you then become a victim.

There weren't too many other options. Sit back and wait? Nope. Get into it? That might work - and it did.

Shit, if it was up to me I would have shot Burton, Bell, Hotene to name a few in the head, saving NZ thousands of dollars and repeat offences. However that does not make anyone brave.

But it does make a hell of a lot of sense though......

Speeding to an incident is not going to prevent a Beating, Rape or Homicide.

It did on this occasion... well, two out of three then......

The magic word 'May', and I note your point.

However, speeding to an event increases the serious risk to innocent people or property, in fact even the attending unit. What the public see [in the media] is nothing compared to the actual number of crashes or harm to innocent by standers caused by Police and other Emergency Services on route to an incident.

Which shows that one can't rely on the lights and sirens, because people don't see or hear them.

I recall seeing a post somewhere in here a couple of years ago (?) with a Hummer in Afghanistan racing to an urgent job, shunting vehicles out of the way... that worked well. I wonder if they can put some red and blues and a siren on top of them...?

Special goods truck drivers, bus drivers (taxi, Ambulance, Helicopter?) Bound to be others

Yeah, they lose the license for a moment, but get it back and are welcomed back with open arms - usually.....

According to the almighty stuff website news thingybob - "it's too early to say whether we will introduce it permanently, says Paula Rose"...."police had assured the AA that they were not targeting the end of overtaking lanes, and they were also targeting slow drivers who hold others up". They also said it would be some time before the total tally of tickets (good alliteration there) would be known from this weekend but at this stage it was significantly less than they'd expected.

LOL - told ya so....

I see there is one fatal out Tokomaru Bay area....

Dunno if speed was involved. I'm guessing it wasn't.....

[Patrick]

Aw, ya meanie, there was bound to have been some good trolling could have been had from that 'fact' ya jst shot down...

DOH.... Didn't think of that....

Blardy Cabin Fever...!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

The thing is, this "policy" will be hailed as a success. Not mentioning the fact that the weather has kept most of us tucked up in bed going "Hell with that for a game of soldiers"

[Sentox]

The thing is, this "policy" will be hailed as a success. Not mentioning the fact that the weather has kept most of us tucked up in bed going "Hell with that for a game of soldiers"

It was inevitably going to be the case though. The police's speeding statistics operate in a world of ceteris paribus that would make a first year econ major green with envy. Lower road toll = direct result of the lowered tolerance. Higher road toll = lowered tolerance prevented it from being even worse.

[cowboyz]

so has anyone been booked on the weekend for less than 10 k over the limit?

[Virago]

The thing is, this "policy" will be hailed as a success. Not mentioning the fact that the weather has kept most of us tucked up in bed going "Hell with that for a game of soldiers"

This has already happened - as expected:

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...r-54-year-low/

Alas, the police hierarchy will always use statistical blips to justify further draconian revenue gathering.

There will always be occasional bad weekends on the roads. One crash involving a People Mover or SUV can add several bodies to the weekend toll. But at the end of the year, it will all balance out. Yet again, police have used such statistically high figures to justify this move. As expected, this weekend's holiday toll is lower, and they have triumphantly declared that this measure has reduced the road toll. It's crap.

When the next statistically high holiday road toll occurs, there will be no admission that the changes didn't work. It will simply be an opportunity foist further revenue gathering nonsense on the public.

Reducing the tolerance to within 4% of the limit will simply result in many accidental breaches and subsequent infringements, due to normal speed fluctuations which happen on our roads. Gleefully pinging Mr or Mrs Lawful for negligable infringements at the bottom of dips in the road or at the end of passing lanes, will do NOTHING for road safety.

The real speedsters (those travelling at over 110km/h) are not affected by this change. They took the risk of being caught before, and that risk hasn't changed. They will continue to speed as before.

I am usually law-abiding on the roads, choosing to generally travel at the speed limit. But this illogical transfer of blame is pissing me off.

[Toaster]

It is no different to economists predictions. If the result reflects what they wanted, they say it is a success. If not, then they blame something else as a mitigant.

[Berries]

Well this is a bit of a surprise: Passing or attempting to pass where no-passing lines are marked on the road: 35 points

I've heard officialdom refering to them as "no passing" lines before, but I've also understood that they were, in fact "no crossing" lines.

Anyone care to clarify?

Road User Rule -
2.9 Passing where roadway marked with no-passing line
(1) This clause applies if a driver is at or approaching a portion of a roadway where the road controlling authority has, in accordance with any enactment, marked a no-passing line applying
to traffic moving in the direction in which the driver is moving.
(2) The driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line, unless throughout the passing movement the driver keeps the vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line.

So yes, you can overtake where no passing lines are marked, as long as you don't go over the line. I do it in slow moving traffic sometimes, if I am in a hurry, but wouldn't do it on the open road, purely because you'll piss the car driver off or scare him enough to *555, and there will be overtaking opportunities soon enough.

[crystalball]

i just went for a short trip from papakura to huntly today. now i gota be carfull as caint aford to get pulled over untill im sorted (2moro =]) so i rode at 100km. now i did notice that there are alot of people whom driving at 90 to 95km on highway. so o.k thats all kool but i noticed when pulling into next lane to overtake them they would speed up to make you have to speed up. now im not prepared to do this so at one stage i had one car drive right up my rear end like 2 metres behind me because he wanted to get in front as well. e.t.c another time on motorway this weekend i had a car do same thing. 90km so i gop to over take then get in front then he speed up and over take me and then get in front and slow down. like cat and mouse. i find this road rule to be good for the road toll but not good for over taking.

[Ocean1]

I do it in slow moving traffic sometimes, if I am in a hurry, but wouldn't do it on the open road, purely because you'll piss the car driver off or scare him enough to *555, and there will be overtaking opportunities soon enough.

Cheers, that was my understanding. Seems sorta dishonest to call 'em no-passing lines then eh?

And yes I do it reasonably often, depends more on the "body language" of the passe' than anything else. Some of 'em move over just that tad that says "yup, go" and some stay lurking out by the cantreline.

[cold comfort]

This has already happened - as expected:

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...r-54-year-low/

Alas, the police hierarchy will always use statistical blips to justify further draconian revenue gathering.

There will always be occasional bad weekends on the roads. As expected, this weekend's holiday toll is lower, and they have triumphantly declared that this measure has reduced the road toll. It's crap
When the next statistically high holiday road toll occurs, there will be no admission that the changes didn't work. It will simply be an opportunity foist further revenue gathering nonsense on the public.

Reducing the tolerance to within 4% of the limit will simply result in many accidental breaches and subsequent infringements, due to normal speed fluctuations which happen on our roads. Gleefully pinging Mr or Mrs Lawful for negligable infringements at the bottom of dips in the road or at the end of passing lanes, will do NOTHING for road safety.
I am usually law-abiding on the roads, choosing to generally travel at the speed limit. But this illogical transfer of blame is pissing me off.

Couldn't agree more. Plenty of variables. People driving slower due threat of ridiculous response, rubbish weather, maybe lower traffic volumes. I for one avoid going anywhere on long weekends due to this sort of nonsense and the clowns on the road.