Arguments for and against the 4 km/hr cap

[grusomhat]

drove from Dn to chch to and back over the weekend most people on the road were traveling at 90, except for passing lanes then it was 105, i set the cc on 105 and passed where i could only saw 3 cops all weekend

Wow. I picked up three seperate cops between Ashburton and Christchurch. All had their radar blarring 3km down the road which was quite nice

[cowpoos]

I see. So criticising the motives and rationale of Our Beloved Masters reflects on my ability as a motorcycle rider? Interesting logic. I also think that the current government is weak and the last one was devious and manipulative - does that make me a really good pianist?

Your like a irrational woman...your making an argument over nothing at all...lol

Seriously shrub...don't try and read into something I write...the meaning is on the surface only!

[Kickaha]

Yes. "if your going to complain you can't..maybe you shouldn't have a license...because really your incompetent!!"

I think it's a bit of a stretch to infer he was calling you incompetent because you criticised our "Beloved masters", he was talking about if you're not capable of sticking to the leagal limit nothing more

[shrub]

Your like a irrational woman...your making an argument over nothing at all...lol!

I see. So taking the piss out of what you said makes me "like a irrational woman".

[Jizah]

Interesting conclusion. It means the people traveling at speeds between 104 and 110km/h are the people who are having the accidents. These are the people who were specifically targeted and the road toll subsequently dropped. There was no change of policing for the speeders doing 110+km/h.

[Kickaha]

I see. So taking the piss out of what you said makes me "like a irrational woman".

You'd have to shop at the plus sized womens shops though

[shrub]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to infer he was calling you incompetent because you criticised our "Beloved masters", he was talking about if you're not capable of sticking to the leagal limit nothing more

In context: I was criticising the government spin that was likely to credit the low road toll with lowering the tolerance on speed. He then said "f your going to complain you can't" which suggests that I'm not allowed to complain for some reason, then he added "maybe you shouldn't have a license", which I assume meant that if I complained I shouldn't have a license and finally he qualified it with "because really your incompetent!!". If we follow his statements sequentially complaining means I am an incompetent rider. Despite the fact that he has no idea who I am or how skilled a rider I am (or am not) he feels he is able to judge my motorcycle riding skill based on my daring to criticise our beloved government. This place never fails to amuse and amaze me.

[shrub]

You'd have to shop at the plus sized womens shops though

or the tent shops.

[breakaway]

Interesting conclusion. It means the people traveling at speeds between 104 and 110km/h are the people who are having the accidents. These are the people who were specifically targeted and the road toll subsequently dropped. There was no change of policing for the speeders doing 110+km/h.

Yeah. This is why I cruise at 120 km/h.

[cowpoos]

In context: I was criticising the government spin that was likely to credit the low road toll with lowering the tolerance on speed. He then said "f your going to complain you can't" which suggests that I'm not allowed to complain for some reason, then he added "maybe you shouldn't have a license", which I assume meant that if I complained I shouldn't have a license and finally he qualified it with "because really your incompetent!!". If we follow his statements sequentially complaining means I am an incompetent rider. Despite the fact that he has no idea who I am or how skilled a rider I am (or am not) he feels he is able to judge my motorcycle riding skill based on my daring to criticise our beloved government. This place never fails to amuse and amaze me.

If you can't ride at a constant speed...your are incompetent. do you agree or not?

I also addressed police/government spin in my opening lines....

[cowpoos]

In context: I was criticising the government spin that was likely to credit the low road toll with lowering the tolerance on speed. He then said "f your going to complain you can't" which suggests that I'm not allowed to complain for some reason, then he added "maybe you shouldn't have a license", which I assume meant that if I complained I shouldn't have a license and finally he qualified it with "because really your incompetent!!". If we follow his statements sequentially complaining means I am an incompetent rider. Despite the fact that he has no idea who I am or how skilled a rider I am (or am not) he feels he is able to judge my motorcycle riding skill based on my daring to criticise our beloved government. This place never fails to amuse and amaze me.

If you can't ride at a constant speed...your are incompetent. do you agree or not?

I also addressed police/government spin in my opening lines....

[wingnutt]

Our beloved masters are crowing with delight over the record low road toll for Liz's birthday weekend, and the correlation of this with their 4 kmh cap has led them to attribute this incredibly smart, innovative and effective approach to road safety (me, sarcastic?) with the low road toll, so I was expecting to see An Announcement from the lovely Paula soon enough to advise us that 10 kmh had gone.

But maybe not, just as Our Beloved Masters will argue for their reduced cap, a compelling argument against it has emerged. Using the blunt instrument of correlation, I have identified the following arguments against it:
1. The post-weekend road toll is significantly higher than normal
2. Over Queens birthday weekend record rainfall fell in many areas around NZ resulting in devastating flooding
3. An Indian taxi driver's wife and daughter were murdered

So, using the statistical tool of correlation (please do not use the spurious word in this thread) we can say that there is a direct correlation between post-weekend death toll, flooding and the murder rate amongst Indian taxi driver's families and a 4 kmh cap. Therefore we are faced with some questions: do we lower the cap and lower road toll but face a possibility of flooding, people getting killed on Tuesdays and the deaths of taxi driver's families?

Do we recognise that maybe there was a limited causal relationship between the cap and road toll, and that maybe the real cause was paranoia among car drivers and more visible cops combined with a crap weekend meaning more people stayed home?

Or do we take road safety seriously and reintroduce the system of having a man with a red flag walking in front of cars, and along the way stop scaring horses?

Yeh, the weekend for the queen, wasn’t a good indicator that dropping the allowable speed reduced the road toll, traffic was very light, and the ones I was moving with, where all around 105kph – 110kph. Very occasionally the odd driver would be quicker, but all drove really well, no dickheads, and it made for a very pleasant ride.

I saw two police cars, who obviously thought the same, and where letting drivers get on with it, which was great to see.

I don’t believe speed is what’s killing folks, it’s the dickhead decisions being made, speed only compounds it after the fact, leave the speed limit, and the 10kph allowable variance, target the dangerous driving, slow drivers included.

[Morepower]

Yeah. This is why I cruise at 120 km/h.

Exactly 104 or 110 ,,,makes no difference to me

[Morepower]

Yeah. This is why I cruise at 120 km/h.

Exactly 104 or 110 ,,,makes no difference to me

[shrub]

If you can't ride at a constant speed...your are incompetent. do you agree or not?.

Depends. Speed and competence are influenced by a great many variables, and on some roads and on some bikes it takes a lot more effort to sustain a constant speed of 100 kmh, whereas others it's easy - one of the reasons I have gone for a retro style bike with an upright riding position.