Arguments for and against the 4 km/hr cap

[slofox]

hence you brak (BREAK?) them at your wallets (WALLET'S?) peril.

There are also grammatical and spelling rules Scummy...

sorry - couldn't resist that one...write out 100 lines please! "I must pay attention to spelling and grammar" In my office, Monday morning, 9.00am sharp - or else!!

[miloking]

Correct.

Can you lat your WOF go 4% past its expiry and not risk a ticket?

Can you run your tyres 4% lower in trad depth than allowed and not risk a ticket?

Can you park it a 60 minute parking spot for 4% longer and not risk a ticket?

No.

OK, a lot of laws ARE pretty sucky but they are the law (ass-like or not), hence you brak them at your wallets peril.

Oh Scummy...thats a lightly retarded comparison, but i understand what you trying to say...

Speed limit = Arbitrary limit (made up bullshit to make money)

WOF = Arbitrary limit (made up bullshit as well als to make money mostly, lots of countries dont have them... i've see cars getting WOF with worn tyres, suspension etc, while for example having sticker on a corner of rear window is fail...pathetic)

Parking times = Arbitrary limit set by council to make money

Tyre thread = actual physical limitation of tyre, you cannot wear it down past something that doesnt exist

But i see that they all atract tickets....apart from worn tyres actualy which is probably the only dangerous thing...and i havent seen a cop checking tyres yet.
Hmm..so what does that tell you....tickets for breaching arbitrary limits set by govt = easy money!

[scumdog]

Oh Scummy...thats a lightly retarded comparison, but i understand what you trying to say...

Speed limit = Arbitrary limit (made up bullshit to make money)

WOF = Arbitrary limit (made up bullshit as well als to make money mostly, lots of countries dont have them... i've see cars getting WOF with worn tyres, suspension etc, while for example having sticker on a corner of rear window is fail...pathetic)

Parking times = Arbitrary limit set by council to make money

Tyre thread = actual physical limitation of tyre, you cannot wear it down past something that doesnt exist

But i see that they all atract tickets....apart from worn tyres actualy which is probably the only dangerous thing...and i havent seen a cop checking tyres yet.
Hmm..so what does that tell you....tickets for breaching arbitrary limits set by govt = easy money!

I have given out HEAPS of compliance tickets for expired WOF, rego out and tyres below the legal limit (as well as a lot other things).

Not ONE cent to the Go'vt from a compliance ticket....

Not ONE complaint from my bosses about me doing that either.

So I doubt your theory about the need to get revenue holds water. (but don't let me stop you from thinking that)

(However there's a shit-load of people out there seem keen to 'donate' when it's preventable)

[scumdog]

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There are also grammatical and spelling rules Scummy...

sorry - couldn't resist that one...write out 100 lines please! "I must pay attention to spelling and grammar" In my office, Monday morning, 9.00am sharp - or else!!

Just give him an infringment notice.

[Shadows]

Do we recognise that maybe there was a limited causal relationship between the cap and road toll, and that maybe the real cause was paranoia among car drivers and more visible cops combined with a crap weekend meaning more people stayed home?

It was for exactly that reason. However the police will insist otherwise, the media will report the police media releases verbatim as they always do, and the public will lap it up because most people are too fucking stupid to think for themselves, and thereby the 4km/h cap will gain public support and become standard procedure in the very near future.

[Berries]

Well right now I'm driving around not knowing at what speed a cop will pull me over. Either they should name an exact limit and enforce it OR name the law in terms of subjective reasoning case by case for going too fast in context. All this fluffing around leaves the public in the dark when the cops are meant to be there on behalf of us.

Subjective reasoning sounds good, but what you or I think is a safe speed may be considered as downright dangerous by someone with a radar and a uniform. Every ticket would be an argument, you'd get done for 115 while a mate would get off for 125km/h. I like the idea of Police discretion but it is not easy to have any kind of consistency.

Why not just assume that they will pull you over for anything over the posted speed limit ? That way you know exactly where you stand.

[Ragingrob]

Subjective reasoning sounds good, but what you or I think is a safe speed may be considered as downright dangerous by someone with a radar and a uniform. Every ticket would be an argument, you'd get done for 115 while a mate would get off for 125km/h. I like the idea of Police discretion but it is not easy to have any kind of consistency.

Why not just assume that they will pull you over for anything over the posted speed limit ? That way you know exactly where you stand.

If that's the case then why doesn't the govt just limit every single vehicle in NZ to 100kph and that's that, easy! If they don't do that then there must be times where exceeding 100kph is acceptable?

[scumdog]

If that's the case then why doesn't the govt just limit every single vehicle in NZ to 100kph and that's that, easy! ?

Don't give them ideas.....

[Ragingrob]

Don't give them ideas.....

But seriously, if we're not allowed to exceed that speed anyway, and we as tax payers spend so much on preventative speeding programs, they could easily prevent it at relatively little cost. Oh wait, that's right, the govt probably enjoys it's little income am I right? Because otherwise the solution is that simple.

[Berries]

You are right. The solution is that simple (although not cheap or easy to introduce in a small country like this). By not doing it there is an implication that exceeding the speed limit is ok.

It's a bit like ciggies. If the Government really cared about the people then they would ban the import and production of tobacco products. They don't, and they won't. I am not sure how much the tax take enters the equation, but the same question could be asked about the tax take from vehicles travelling at over 100km/h.

I smoke, and wish they would ban it. But if they did limit vehicle speeds then I for one would have a problem with it. And it wouldn't be the cure all for all the road carnage. They would then have to look at education and training, you know, the hard stuff that they ignore that might cost $$$ rather than bringing $$$ in.