Tickets for 4km/h over the speed limit this Queens Birthday weekend

[Hinny]

Well Hiney as the police aren't actually educating children (or drivers), but are in fact smacking them around the ears and taking their lunch money. I would respectfully suggest that it might in fact be yourself that is out of touch 'with the times'.

Unless you are going to significantly increase the number of police on traffic work (say 2 to 3 times) it is not a practical use of limited resources. It is more effective to increase the effectiveness of the presence of a finite resource by having it wave a big stick menacingly than to make infinite resources available to track everybody's every move and provide kind words of guidance whenever they stray from the path.

Boring old school conservatism. This negativity precludes the adoption of alternative methods without empirical evidence to justify the decisions made.
This results in simply doing the same old same old and expecting a different result.
It is the only course of action you are going to get if you have people in charge that are unable or unwilling to think properly. The ones that rise to the top by following the dictates of their antecedents - follow the rules and keep your nose clean type people. Not the sort of innovative, open minded thinkers that are able to embrace the idea that there may be better ways of doing things.

The child rearing scenario is totally relevant. The outcry of people over adoption of Sue Bradford's repeal bill and their proclamations of social collapse is of exactly the same ilk.

I would also suggest your proclamation that to 'increase the effectiveness of the presence of a finite resource by having it wave a big stick menacingly' is equally flawed thinking.
You just have to look at the anti-drug culture that has resulted in the worldwide proliferation of drug use.
The chastity-ring wearing culture that results in mass 'out of wedlock' childbirth.
The list of similar scenarios is long and obvious .

The continued adoption of these type of counter-productive policies, whilst expecting a different outcome, is quite simply dopey.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Boring old school conservatism. This negativity precludes the adoption of alternative methods without empirical evidence to justify the decisions made.
This results in simply doing the same old same old and expecting a different result.
It is the only course of action you are going to get if you have people in charge that are unable or unwilling to think properly. The ones that rise to the top by following the dictates of their antecedents - follow the rules and keep your nose clean type people. Not the sort of innovative, open minded thinkers that are able to embrace the idea that there may be better ways of doing things.

The child rearing scenario is totally relevant. The outcry of people over adoption of Sue Bradford's repeal bill and their proclamations of social collapse is of exactly the same ilk.

I would also suggest your proclamation that to 'increase the effectiveness of the presence of a finite resource by having it wave a big stick menacingly' is equally flawed thinking.
You just have to look at the anti-drug culture that has resulted in the worldwide proliferation of drug use.
The chastity-ring wearing culture that results in mass 'out of wedlock' childbirth.
The list of similar scenarios is long and obvious .

The continued adoption of these type of counter-productive policies, whilst expecting a different outcome, is quite simply dopey.

We pay too much in taxes now. The country can't afford your high ideals (which appear to require a limitless budget in the absence of any PRACTICAL alternatives offered up... as an alternative to all of society's aforementioned inadequacies that you have highlighted). I don't want to subsidise everybody else's idea's of pathways to utopia. It ain't my destination.

By all means raise peoples awareness of poor driving skills. Just do it cost effectively. I like the cops idea of videoing people crossing center lines in high risk areas (low man hours per bad deed observed). Use speed cameras and traffic light cameras in high risk areas. Use flashing speed signs at high risk areas to remind speeders of the limit etc, etc. Those sorts of policing use way less resources, are effective and leave policemen free to do proper policing. The demerit point system works pretty well, apply it to speed camera fines as well. Driver education could be handled by mandatory attendance to annual seminars at licensing centers or advanced driver training courses.. or some such, if required. And make the punters pay for it.

[PrincessBandit]

I can't see why there couldn't be a limited range of speed restrictions for the open road. There are already a variety of them for residential streets (50, 40 around schools etc.) It couldn't be too hard to set limits ranging between 90 (such as that stretch just outside of Tauranga) and, say, 120 on expressways. But by bringing these speeds up have no exceptions made for breeching them. There are definitely some roads, such as SH2, which could be made 90kph zones. (Except people continually flout the speed zone through Maramarua anyway). Other stretches of road could easily be 120 and still be quite "safe". Higher speed areas with NO tolerance over the limit could work???? Hang on, I forgot that speed kills.....(p/t)

[Ocean1]

I can't see why there couldn't be a limited range of speed restrictions for the open road.

They do that in Perth, amongst other colonies. The posted speed changes are prolific, (I once counted 8 ranging from 30K to 90K in increments of 5k in less than 5 kilometres) and nonsensical and on "certain special days" there's politz lurking at every third change. To be fair to the Perthians, (although I don't see the point, apart from needing the practice) there's not the slightest hint of any expectation that the fuzz, (in particular those ones on traffic duty) are anything OTHER than a random menace to be avoided if possible and who exist for the sole purpose of enforcing the local protection racket.

Antirant: FFS why can't you lot see the obvious? The person who needs to make the decision about how fast he's going is the one who's foot/hand/tentacle is on the throttle.

Anything else at all is pure bullshit.

[scumdog]

Boring old school conservatism. This negativity precludes the adoption of alternative methods without empirical evidence to justify the decisions made.
This results in simply doing the same old same old and expecting a different result.
It is the only course of action you are going to get if you have people in charge that are unable or unwilling to think properly. The ones that rise to the top by following the dictates of their antecedents - follow the rules and keep your nose clean type people. Not the sort of innovative, open minded thinkers that are able to embrace the idea that there may be better ways of doing things.

The child rearing scenario is totally relevant. The outcry of people over adoption of Sue Bradford's repeal bill and their proclamations of social collapse is of exactly the same ilk.

I would also suggest your proclamation that to 'increase the effectiveness of the presence of a finite resource by having it wave a big stick menacingly' is equally flawed thinking.
You just have to look at the anti-drug culture that has resulted in the worldwide proliferation of drug use.
The chastity-ring wearing culture that results in mass 'out of wedlock' childbirth.
The list of similar scenarios is long and obvious .

The continued adoption of these type of counter-productive policies, whilst expecting a different outcome, is quite simply dopey.

How come those that know exactly what to do and how to run the country aren't??

[Ragingrob]

If exceeding 100kph requires death-defying skill, then why does the govt not limit vehicles to 100kph. If it is illegal to exceed 100kph in NZ then why do they give us the opportunity?

[Brian d marge]

How come those that know exactly what to do and how to run the country aren't??

because my name isn't walmart

Bp

or indeed do I have any hope of getting into the Hallowed halls of the IMF

and I Didn't borrow the money in the first place ( well only a little but I will pay it back ,I promise )

Stephen

[Hinny]

If exceeding 100kph requires death-defying skill, then why does the govt not limit vehicles to 100kph. If it is illegal to exceed 100kph in NZ then why do they give us the opportunity?

Seems like a sensible solution.

[Smifffy]

How come those that know exactly what to do and how to run the country aren't??

Would you vote for me?

[Hinny]

How come those that know exactly what to do and how to run the country aren't??

Well that's pretty obvious isn't it.
You and I didn't throw our hats into the ring.

[Fluffy Cat]

Well that's pretty obvious isn't it.
You and I didn't throw our hats into the ring.

Eh.....oh! you think the elected govt runs the country.
Better to get a job in a bank or as a barrister.......

[Patrick]

On the face of it, we;d have to accept that the only variable was the 4 K over tolerance and accept that "IT" was effective.
Did see a camera van at the end of a passing lane though ! so There, lol.

Should have told the Commissioner. He said "don't go there...."

Bull shit, seen it, if you want to catch fish you go where the fish are, I can assure you there are plenty of small minded wanker type cops who practise "lurking around end of passing lanes..." and other such pathetic crap

It's no myth at all

Must be where you live. If I want to catch fish, of course I go where the fish are. The last one was a 10.1kg snapper surfcasting off our local beach.

I think you forgot that wet weather = no sun = no bbq = no beer. Not to mention the million other variables. A KB myth? I've seen PLENTY of patrol cars sitting at the beginning, middle and end of passing lanes... I'm pretty sure they weren't riding unicorns.

Btw I'll mention once again (millions of pages back)... What about the double standards eh? All's fair and good to ticket ppl who are breaking the speed limit in any way or form, but kinda sucks I can't ticket the cop I see speeding/disrupting traffic/failing to indicate/failing to give way.

Report it to the station. You yourself might not get to write the ticket, but it is how the Senior Sergeants get their quota.

Just shows how retarded your thinking is

How about some attention to sorting the problem before it becomes a race at the end of a passing lane, like pulling over road hogs and giving them a little bit of advice about sharing the road with others who wish to maintain a legal 100 Klm/hr.

Daned if you do something to fix a dangerous problem, and damned if you don't. Go figure.

Don't forget now.... 100 is the maximum. It isn't a target....... although the signs do look like one.... and some even have bullet holes in them around here.... hang on.... as you were.... it is a target......

To be honest I think the plonkers that speed up while being passed would not even notice a marked police car behind them. As far as bang for $ goes - I agree that is the mentality, the police don't want to get drivers to improve their driving behaviour, they just want to hand out tickets. It's a bit sad really.

When I used to drive a car it was often difficult to safely pass slow idiots when there weren't any passing lanes. I remember coming to a passing lane and changing down a gear and planting my boot - I got passed one car and had accelerated from 80 to 145kph, then the passing lane ended and I had to continue sitting behind the other slow arseholes. But as you say, the police have no interest in educating drivers about why they shouldn't speed up when other vehicles are pulling out into the passing lane to get passed them. They don't even mention dick moves like that in their ads.

And what did you learn then?

All that effort for one place. WOW!!!!!!

If exceeding 100kph requires death-defying skill, then why does the govt not limit vehicles to 100kph. If it is illegal to exceed 100kph in NZ then why do they give us the opportunity?

Coz there would be an outcry on KB..................?

[Katman]

Why are you dragging all these fucked threads back to the top?

Let them fucking die.

[Patrick]

Coz I was away for a little...

If it wasn't me, it would be someone else.....

But fair call though.....

LOL.....

[Brian d marge]

have to say
been here ten years ( Japan ) seen the po po twice ( maybe three times )

got pinged for 90 in a 60 , cost 100 000 yen and a months ban all up

but can go about my daily business with out fear or favour from po

heh even ask for help sometimes , as they are,,,err helpful

I mean I don't mind being pinged for 104 , what I don't like is being lied to

104 , 120, 95 what ever its going to hurt

and even the most retarded on this list knows 104 over to Motueka is going to end in tears... but the inganangahui ( SP) to the west coast

104 is fked

Any right minded individual who toes the line "Speed kills" etc or other lines given to you by the "man" , lines owes it to themselves to at least do a bit of research

THEN If The Man speaks the truth , so be it

but to blindly regurgitate is a waste of a life

Stephen