We're watching you, Mr Smith. Protest 27th June 2010

[RiderInBlack]

There were a hell of a lot of people involved in organising the Wellington ride not affiliated with BRONZ. This was in time, money, energy and effort. For Les aka Ixion aka BRONZ to try and take credit for it is wrong!

Sorry 7000 wasnt enough for you Ixion. But it looked pretty bloody impressive from where I was standing at Westpac Stadium. BRONZ Auckland has done NOTHING since November and now you expect us to become all confrontational.

Aye MD, although I might give BRONZ some credit for lobbying, but they could have worked harder at keeping us motivated. Rolling Protests straight after the Bikeoi should have been made, but no we were advise ta wait. Others have been organising protests since then. Now in the middle of Winter when a Majority of bikers have gone in ta hibernation and have gotten on with their lives, BRONZ decides ta dust it's self off for a protest. Too dam late. Of cause they will be able ta say they have tried, and use the "lack" of interest shown to say that it's not worth fighting for.
I am planning ta be there. I have since it was hinted at 2 months ago. I had booked work off, thinking that they might go for something big in Welly again. I hope that it will be worth it, but I'm afaid that they have left it all to late for real good turn-out to occur and for the protest to be effective.

[MadDuck]

I am planning ta be there.

I wont be. Best of luck!

[miloking]

Aye MD, although I might give BRONZ some credit for lobbying, but they could have worked harder at keeping us motivated. Rolling Protests straight after the Bikeoi should have been made, but no we were advise ta wait. Others have been organising protests since then. Now in the middle of Winter when a Majority of bikers have gone in ta hibernation and have gotten on with their lives, BRONZ decides ta dust it's self off for a protest. Too dam late. Of cause they will be able ta say they have tried, and use the "lack" of interest shown to say that it's not worth fighting for.
I am planning ta be there. I have since it was hinted at 2 months ago. I had booked work off, thinking that they might go for something big in Welly again. I hope that it will be worth it, but I'm afaid that they have left it all to late for real good turn-out to occur and for the protest to be effective.

its never late to fight for fairness or justice....of course chances of the ACC rego fees being lowered are slim to none....its now fight so there isnt another raise of fees next year and/or year after.

[mashman]

a glimpse into the near future should we decide to stop paying for rego perhaps... http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...d-at-campaign/

[RiderInBlack]

a glimpse into the near future should we decide to stop paying for rego perhaps... http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/7427211/motorcyclists-shocked-at-campaign/

I wouldn't put it past them, that the real reasons for the check is that they know that a lot of us are threating to not pay our regs, so they are putting the boot in first.
ED: Well on reading Nelson blitz on bikers... I see that they seem to have a fair point. One that doesn't boot well for Sunday's Protest. I just wonder what the Media will state after Sunday. I wonder what resent Stat's they will being up to counter ours.

[Ixion]

Well, the cops in Nelson were'nt really stopping bikes to check regos, as such. The rego checking was just in passing, usually cops aren't all that hot on regos. Not to say they'll ignore it, but it's not a big deal to them.

The Nelson thing was cos they thought too many bikers were falling off their bikes. (And maybe a bit of 'We hate those jafa bastards ' xenophobia)

And, end of day, the only way the ACC levy is going to come down, is if we (collectively) do something about that.

We (collectively) are falling off our bikes too fuck'in often. Hard to argue with ACC when they can point to the long list of bikers who have fallen off , and how much it costs to patch them up again (or bury them, as case may be) .

No, I've not turned into Katman, I don't believe that every single crash is always the biker's fault. And unlike him , I doesn't hate you all. In fact we luvs all you coounts, even the ones that are just cunts. But, regardless of who's to blame , we're the ones that end up smeared across the tarmac.

Gotta do something about that, mkay? All of us. Black rubbery bits go down, right , and when the road goes left or right, best idea is for the bike to do the same.

Which is not to let me Smith off the hook, cos it's stiff as unfair as an unfair thing.

[Ixion]

its never late to fight for fairness or justice....of course chances of the ACC rego fees being lowered are slim to none....its now fight so there isnt another raise of fees next year and/or year after.

This man's got the picture.

[Katman]

And, end of day, the only way the ACC levy is going to come down, is if we (collectively) do something about that.

We (collectively) are falling off our bikes too fuck'in often. Hard to argue with ACC when they can point to the long list of bikers who have fallen off , and how much it costs to patch them up again (or bury them, as case may be) .

You're spot on.......

No, I've not turned into Katman, I don't believe that every single crash is always the biker's fault. And unlike him , I doesn't hate you all.

........but you're still a cock.

[scracha]

And, end of day, the only way the ACC levy is going to come down, is if we (collectively) do something about that.

We (collectively) are falling off our bikes too fuck'in often. Hard to argue with ACC when they can point to the long list of bikers who have fallen off , and how much it costs to patch them up again (or bury them, as case may be) .

Ok then. How 'bout

1) as a starting point we push very hard for hospitals to collect better stats on ACC claims for motorcyclists. I've a feeling that non registered farm ATV's and recrational dirt bikes will be a fair percentage. That's achievable. Going head to head against the powerful farming lobby without some stats to back us up is a non-starter.

2) Promote increased training requirements for motorcyclists. A lot of the riding a see is frankly bloody shocking and we're doing ourselves no favours by the "she'll be right" and "I learnt from my dad on the farm" type attitude. This will almost certainly result in reduced motorbicycle accidents (quite why the opposite is implied on BRONZ's website is a mystery to me) and with any luck calls for c@r drivers to get better training will be listened to.

[bogan]

And, end of day, the only way the ACC levy is going to come down, is if we (collectively) do something about that.

We (collectively) are falling off our bikes too fuck'in often. Hard to argue with ACC when they can point to the long list of bikers who have fallen off , and how much it costs to patch them up again (or bury them, as case may be) .

Which is not to let me Smith off the hook, cos it's stiff as unfair as an unfair thing.

yeh we crash too often, but injuries and levies aren't linked for cyclists, sportspeople, or DIY'rs etc. We are just an easy target and thats what I object to.

Ok then. How 'bout

1) as a starting point we push very hard for hospitals to collect better stats on ACC claims for motorcyclists. I've a feeling that non registered farm ATV's and recrational dirt bikes will be a fair percentage. That's achievable. Going head to head against the powerful farming lobby without some stats to back us up is a non-starter.

2) Promote increased training requirements for motorcyclists. A lot of the riding a see is frankly bloody shocking and we're doing ourselves no favours by the "she'll be right" and "I learnt from my dad on the farm" type attitude. This will almost certainly result in reduced motorbicycle accidents (quite why the opposite is implied on BRONZ's website is a mystery to me) and with any luck calls for c@r drivers to get better training will be listened to.

agree with this 100%

[MSTRS:Me]

yeh we crash too often, but injuries and levies aren't linked for cyclists, sportspeople, or DIY'rs etc. We are just an easy target and thats what I object to.

Too bloody right. It's inequitable and makes a mockery of all the holier-than-thou spoutings from Nick the Prick and ACC.

[wysper]

yeh we crash too often, but injuries and levies aren't linked for cyclists, sportspeople, or DIY'rs etc. We are just an easy target and thats what I object to.

I think this is the division they want to create in NZ'ers. So we start saying "Activity X is just as bad as us! Levy them too if you are going to levy us!"
Sure thing says Govt. And bang, there we have it, more levies for all.

[bogan]

I think this is the division they want to create in NZ'ers. So we start saying "Activity X is just as bad as us! Levy them too if you are going to levy us!"
Sure thing says Govt. And bang, there we have it, more levies for all.

and then everyone is pissed off with ACC and they sell it to the aussies. It's pretty transparent, but I still object to being treated differently because I am an easy target. It's a very shrewd scheme National are playing, increase the ACC fund so it is saleable, increase public annoyance with ACC so not many object to it's sale, and decrease the number of bikers (listed on the popo site as a major problem in road toll).

[mashman]

I"]http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/7427211/motorcyclists-shocked-at-campaign/[/URL]I wouldn't put it past them, that the real reasons for the check is that they know that a lot of us are threating to not pay our regs, so they are putting the boot in first.
ED: Well on reading Nelson blitz on bikers... I see that they seem to have a fair point. One that doesn't boot well for Sunday's Protest. I just wonder what the Media will state after Sunday. I wonder what resent Stat's they will being up to counter ours.

Aye... it always starts with an excuse... check the rego, note it's out and fill in the paperwork when you get back to the station +1 in the no rego column... If they're trying to get bikes off of the road, this is a great place to start... destroy bikers in the eyes of the public, because we're not paying our fair share, and then move for a complete ban as it costs too much to catch the bikers who don't have regos, but are a constant danger to society... Pretty poor, but if I can think of it, you can bet someone else can... but they're not out to get me

[Ixion]

yeh we crash too often, but injuries and levies aren't linked for cyclists, sportspeople, or DIY'rs etc. We are just an easy target and thats what I object to.



agree with this 100%

Yes. Hence my statement that it's unfairer than an unfair thing. Both are needed. Fair treatment by ACC, but we also need to stop falling off so fuckin' often. M'kay ?