Nelson blitz on bikers...

[Woodman]

..if somobody is twice the limit or even just bit over limit you can tell they are drunk quite easily.

How?.............And if its that easy why don't the police just stand on the side of the road and wave down JUST the drunk drivers instead of spending all that dosh on booze busses etc.

And also why don't they just pick out all the bad riders instead of all of them here in Nelson.

Maybe you are right all along..............

[Padmei]

Wow & to think all I was gonna do was keep my head down, make sure the bike was warranted & wait till it blows over.
Man I'm naive...
BTW not seen any cops around here pulling anyone up the last week, bike or otherwise...

You really Scummy's daughter Jen?

[miloking]

How?.............And if its that easy why don't the police just stand on the side of the road and wave down JUST the drunk drivers instead of spending all that dosh on booze busses etc.

And also why don't they just pick out all the bad riders instead of all of them here in Nelson.

Maybe you are right all along..............

Now you are talking, how about using those resources on solving real crime first..then drunks, then speeders...and then when all is done then on pulling up motorcyclists that havent done anything wrong at all.

[Ragingrob]

You could cut some slack to the poor old po po who has to pull you over because of this misguided direction from on high. Of course the "we're only following orders" defence didnt work and shouldn't work at Nuremberg, and shouldn't be accepted here.

Lets just get this straight: A reasonable, responsible tax and rate paying citizen, out and about on a perfectly legitemate recreational activity can be expected to be pulled over, harassed, and in fact targeted for harassment, based only on their preferred recreational vehicle: and some of you are OK with that? What the hell?. It is outright fascism, nothing more or less.

So no matter what their attitude is, they're wrong.

But that's obviously not the right attitude is it?

A reasonable, responsible tax and rate paying citizen, out and about on a perfectly legitemate recreational activity can be expected to be pulled over, a quick check of license and wof, a friendly chat about whatever the hell they want, and a simple enjoy your ride and ride safe message given.

Yes I am OK with that. Because that is the right attitude.

[Ragingrob]

Now you are talking, how about using those resources on solving real crime first..then drunks, then speeders...and then when all is done then on pulling up motorcyclists that havent done anything wrong at all.

But drunk driving probably incurs more deaths than "real crime"... Lol seriously I'm just guessing though but yeah.

[warewolf]

Notice they said "unusually the 11 fatalities were the motorcyclists fault". The latest analysis I read says over half are the fault of another motorist (and that both motorcyclists and the police need training to avoid the "red mist" syndrome).

Some analysts suggest NZ is too small to generate reliable stats sometimes; the 11 in 9 months probably falls into that category. So next year, when the pendulum swings the other way and unusually all the fatalities are caused by other motorists, will the police start pulling over motorists at random, checking their paperwork and having a chat to them about looking out for bikes? Somehow, I seriously doubt they'd ever do that. Hence, discrimination: they are acting differently based on some differentiating factor other than suspicion of guilt.

Back when random breath testing started in Australia, it required the rules (constitution?) modifying to give police the power to stop people without due cause (that's what the random bit means). One of the points raised was that the police could go on fishing expeditions for paperwork irregularities while they were at it. So it was specifically denied them: they had to state you were stopped for an RBT and then they were specifically not permitted to check paperwork... it was an RBT (a powerful road safety tool), nothing more. Thin end of the wedge: of course now they are pretty much required to do full paperwork checks, and they do "random licence/wof testing" operations. Ixion knows of what he speaks.

To top it all off, it is out-of-towners who are over-represented in the Tasman stats. Yet here they are running an op for 100 days, almost exactly all winter, when the out-of-towner count is likely to be at a minimum, and those on the roads in the difficult winter conditions are likely to be the most seasoned, careful & reasoning riders. ie the sensible locals are gonna cop the brunt of the campaign, and they aren't the target audience!!!

[warewolf]

How apropos:



and



Both good efforts, I thought.

[Katman]

Both good efforts, I thought.

That second one is easily the best motorcycle ad I've ever seen.

[HenryDorsetCase]

But that's obviously not the right attitude is it?

A reasonable, responsible tax and rate paying citizen, out and about on a perfectly legitemate recreational activity can be expected to be pulled over, a quick check of license and wof, a friendly chat about whatever the hell they want, and a simple enjoy your ride and ride safe message given.

Yes I am OK with that. Because that is the right attitude.

Sorry, incorrect: What you're saying is "I havent done anything wrong, I dont need to worry": you are in fact parroting Fatty Broad's line "If you havent done anything wrong you dont need to worry".

The issue here, and the problem is not whether you have done anything wrong (and like me, you probably havent), the issue here is specific targeting of a group for special treatment EVEN THOUGH they havent done anything wrong.

Here is a thought exercise for you (and yes, its meant to be provocative, it illustrates my point very well I think):

We're going to target Maoris now. Every Maoriwe see on the street is going to be stopped, asked for proof of ID, and asked what they are doing and where they are going. There is an ongoing menace in Nelson with these types, why in the last eight months eleven have been killed dead. Dont worry Maoris, if you havent done anything wrong and you are carrying your ID and whatnot, you dont have anything to worry about"

See what I mean? See why I am so angry?

[Katman]

The issue here, and the problem is not whether you have done anything wrong (and like me, you probably havent), the issue here is specific targeting of a group for special treatment EVEN THOUGH they havent done anything wrong.

Pretty much like shops with the sign 'No school bags allowed'.

[HenryDorsetCase]

That second one is easily the best motorcycle ad I've ever seen.

Hell yeah! I like that a LOT.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Pretty much like shops with the sign 'No school bags allowed'.

Private property, the owner or occupier can impose what terms and conditions they see fit for entry

[red mermaid]

If you are going to rely on this principle it is already way to late.

I spend just about my whole working day stopping vehicles that have committed no offences, and by and large have been doing so since 1983.
The drivers I deal with, when I explain what is going on have no problem with it, and quite often thank me.

Sorry, incorrect: What you're saying is "I havent done anything wrong, I dont need to worry": you are in fact parroting Fatty Broad's line "If you havent done anything wrong you dont need to worry".

The issue here, and the problem is not whether you have done anything wrong (and like me, you probably havent), the issue here is specific targeting of a group for special treatment EVEN THOUGH they havent done anything wrong.

Here is a thought exercise for you (and yes, its meant to be provocative, it illustrates my point very well I think):




See what I mean? See why I am so angry?

[onearmedbandit]

That second one is easily the best motorcycle ad I've ever seen.

Second that. It's got real impact, excuse the pun. No reason why the NZ powers that be can't borrow it from the Aussies. They don't mind borrowing anything from us!

[HenryDorsetCase]

If you are going to rely on this principle it is already way to late.

I spend just about my whole working day stopping vehicles that have committed no offences, and by and large have been doing so since 1983.
The drivers I deal with, when I explain what is going on have no problem with it, and quite often thank me.

So you agree with me: just because it has been going on for years doesnt mean its right, not then, not now. I am a realist though. So I have discarded my number plates and claptrap and drive and ride everywhere at more than twice the limit. Suck on that coppers!!!