Nelson blitz on bikers...

[HenryDorsetCase]

How apropos:



and



Both good efforts, I thought.

the top one would be better if you could see her boobies. Apart from that, excellent.

[scumdog]

The issue here, and the problem is not whether you have done anything wrong (and like me, you probably havent), the issue here is specific targeting of a group for special treatment EVEN THOUGH they havent done anything wrong.

To harp on a bit: So all the drunk-drivers/disqualified drivers picked up by random stopping should not have been prosecuted because they were doing nothing wrong up until the point they were stopped?

[red mermaid]

And I can hardly wait for you to start ignoring that other stupid law of having to keep left, and just drive where you want.

The point I was originally making is that the ability to stop vehicles at random has always been in force.
It was only the authority in law to breath test drivers at random that was not in existence.

So you agree with me: just because it has been going on for years doesnt mean its right, not then, not now. I am a realist though. So I have discarded my number plates and claptrap and drive and ride everywhere at more than twice the limit. Suck on that coppers!!!

[Ragingrob]

Sorry, incorrect: What you're saying is "I havent done anything wrong, I dont need to worry": you are in fact parroting Fatty Broad's line "If you havent done anything wrong you dont need to worry".

The issue here, and the problem is not whether you have done anything wrong (and like me, you probably havent), the issue here is specific targeting of a group for special treatment EVEN THOUGH they havent done anything wrong.

Here is a thought exercise for you (and yes, its meant to be provocative, it illustrates my point very well I think):




See what I mean? See why I am so angry?

I'm just gonna be a dick and say: Yeah, if eleven Maori had committed suicide in Nelson in the last eight months, and I was Maori, I would not have a problem with strolling down a street and a cop pulling over and just asking how my day was going and telling me to have a good one.

And how can you say I'm "incorrect"? What kinda powerhouse do you think you are? If people are dying, I have no problem with cops targeting that group to pass a safety message on, and once again I'm stating this in the context of the cops doing it with a friendly Kiwi attitude. How the fuck can you say I am incorrect?

Targeting a group that haven't done anything wrong? Errr last time I heard, dying wasn't exactly the right thing to do.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And I can hardly wait for you to start ignoring that other stupid law of having to keep left, and just drive where you want.

The point I was originally making is that the ability to stop vehicles at random has always been in force.
It was only the authority in law to breath test drivers at random that was not in existence.

I do that already. Luckily I am this guy:

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[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm just gonna be a dick and say: Yeah, if eleven Maori had committed suicide in Nelson in the last eight months, and I was Maori, I would not have a problem with strolling down a street and a cop pulling over and just asking how my day was going and telling me to have a good one.

And how can you say I'm "incorrect"? What kinda powerhouse do you think you are? If people are dying, I have no problem with cops targeting that group to pass a safety message on, and once again I'm stating this in the context of the cops doing it with a friendly Kiwi attitude. How the fuck can you say I am incorrect?

Targeting a group that haven't done anything wrong? Errr last time I heard, dying wasn't exactly the right thing to do.

I think you are incorrect. Your logic does not follow.

I am anything but a powerhouse by the way.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fuck! you'll have to take as read my brilliant post and flawless logic about this: bloody computer froze and I lost it and I cbf typing it again. Lets talk about boobies some more.

[davereid]

And I can hardly wait for you to start ignoring that other stupid law of having to keep left, and just drive where you want.
The point I was originally making is that the ability to stop vehicles at random has always been in force. It was only the authority in law to breath test drivers at random that was not in existence.

We certainly catch drunks and unregistered / licensed drivers with random stops. To many, that's justification enough to be able to conduct them.

I'm sure police regularly "tip out" cars, and conduct searches as well, and they may well from time to time find drugs, stolen property or other contraband. To many this would justify giving police the right to random stop vehicles and search them.

Its not a big step, to allow random searching of people then, is it? If you can search the car at random, why not allow searching the person ?

If you can search the person who is driving a car, and its showed itself to be an effective way of finding contraband, or criminals, why not extent it to situations where the person is not in a vehicle ?

If you can randomly search a person or a vehicle, why not extend the power to randomly search homes ? You could just about end drug use, receiving stolen property, and a myriad of other crimes by simply having this power.

The postie spends 30 sec a day at my house, thats 150 minutes a year. You would need a "random search squad" equivalent to the number of posities in the country, and every 3 or so years, you would have the manpower to conduct a "random" 8 hour search, of every house in the country. Take a copy of the HDD on the p.c. while you are doing it.

You would find lots of crime then ?

Only criminals would have to fear it !

[scumdog]

If you can randomly search a person or a vehicle, why not extend the power to randomly search homes ? You could just about end drug use, receiving stolen property, and a myriad of other crimes by simply having this power. !

They would not be in a public place if they were in their own home - quite a difference to driving down the road.

[ukusa]

Why don't we just request they start only pulling over only Harley's because they're more likely to be stolen. Cops could then pass the message on to make sure you lock your bike securely. It'll probably save around the same number of lives.
The only way this dumbass move will save lives in the Marlborough area is by annoying the riders so much they go to another province to kill themselves. Again I havn't got a problem with the getting pulled over part, it's the whole approach to revenue gathering/road safety that's fucked, and while that still exists, people will still kill themselves.

[Flip]

I'm not really interested in hypothetical situations, this is not the 70's when bikie gangs were a issue, and if HD's were being stolen speaking as a HD owner I would like the Rozza to pull over every one they see.

This is the 21st century, there have been a lot of bike accidents in Nelson and the cops are targeting bike riders in this area. Good on them for taking an interest in our safety.

If you want to ride around on a un-registered, un-warranted, probably un-insured bike possibly without a motorcycle drivers license then more fool you. All the Rozza can do is police the road regulations, thats all they can do. If the problems' with the road conditions take it up with the Transport Minister and the local RCA. If the problem is the other road users learn to ride more defensively.

I bet that this will significantly reduce the motor cycle accident rate in Nelson and prove or strongly suggest that the problem was the motorcyclists all along.

[red mermaid]

Be careful, I'm sure there is a conspiracy behind that lamp post down the road!

So people really do get carried away with their own conspiracy theories.

We certainly catch drunks and unregistered / licensed drivers with random stops. To many, that's justification enough to be able to conduct them.

I'm sure police regularly "tip out" cars, and conduct searches as well, and they may well from time to time find drugs, stolen property or other contraband. To many this would justify giving police the right to random stop vehicles and search them.

Its not a big step, to allow random searching of people then, is it? If you can search the car at random, why not allow searching the person ?

If you can search the person who is driving a car, and its showed itself to be an effective way of finding contraband, or criminals, why not extent it to situations where the person is not in a vehicle ?

If you can randomly search a person or a vehicle, why not extend the power to randomly search homes ? You could just about end drug use, receiving stolen property, and a myriad of other crimes by simply having this power.

The postie spends 30 sec a day at my house, thats 150 minutes a year. You would need a "random search squad" equivalent to the number of posities in the country, and every 3 or so years, you would have the manpower to conduct a "random" 8 hour search, of every house in the country. Take a copy of the HDD on the p.c. while you are doing it.

You would find lots of crime then ?

Only criminals would have to fear it !

[ukusa]

I'm not really interested in hypothetical situations, this is not the 70's when bikie gangs were a issue, and if HD's were being stolen speaking as a HD owner I would like the Rozza to pull over every one they see.
I bet that this will significantly reduce the motor cycle accident rate in Nelson and prove that the problem was the motorcyclists all along.

:slap:It was a sarcastic analogy.

A keen betting man I see, but I think the weather conditions would make more of an impact on the no. road deaths at the moment.

[Katman]

:slap:It was a sarcastic analogy.

A keen betting man I see, but I think the weather conditions would make more of an impact on the no. road deaths at the moment.

Yeah, you're probably right.

Thankfully we've still got a couple of months still ahead of us before the next killing season starts.

[Flip]

Not much riding down here for the next couple of days.

Yes it was sarcastic, it will just be another flash in the pan from the police brass, just like the 104kph at Queens Birthday weekend.