This road is highly dangerous. Can someone tell me why?

[bogan]

The KiwiRap programs doesn't identify roads, they identify themselves.

It don't specifically blame the road, it identifies the road as a place that a significant number of crashes have happened.

To that end, blame the crashes on that road for bringing the road to the Gremlins attention. For whatever reason they happened (road, driver, rider, Doris the Sheep etc), they happened, and caused the road to be labelled as dodgy.

It's not as if the Gremlins just randomly chose the road.

So there.

clearly its not the road that is dangerous but the people that drive on it, the 'danger' could be as simple as the road being too boring and people not paying atention, so it aint the road that needs fixing, its the people.

So there. sorry, couldn't resist!

[red mermaid]

I think the idea is that the piece of road identifies itself as dangerous due to the number and type of crashes, then the roadway is examined to see if there are any engineering solutions that may make crashes harder to happen, and if they do happen, lessen the consequences of the crash.

[DarkLord]

Where is that, exactly? It looks like one of the roads to Te Puke when coming from the Waikato region.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Restricted side vision of approaching traffic on side roads or private entrances seems likely?

[Ixion]

The KiwiRap programs doesn't identify roads, they identify themselves.

It don't specifically blame the road, it identifies the road as a place that a significant number of crashes have happened.

To that end, blame the crashes on that road for bringing the road to the Gremlins attention. For whatever reason they happened (road, driver, rider, Doris the Sheep etc), they happened, and caused the road to be labelled as dodgy.

It's not as if the Gremlins just randomly chose the road.

So there.

It appears not. From the KiwiRAP Q&A

The Star Ratings are based on a visual inspection of the actual road features which are known to influence crash risk and crash severity. The Star Ratings do not take crash data into account.

The risk maps do include crash data .

So there (sorry. Couldn't resist)

Class 2 may get a low KPH sign on it 2=50kph=hazards???

Thats what worrys me

Again, from the KiwiRap Q&A (my emphasis )

1.Why not just reduce the speed limit to improve safety?

Travel speed influences the severity of a crash and the risk of a crash occurring. However, speed limits are just one part of the road safety equation – the Safe System. There are many improvements that can be made to roads to make them safe, such as installing safety fences around roadside hazards.

Speed and safety need not be mutually exclusive. Some of Europe’s fastest roads are their safest. However, there may be some instances where lowering the speed limit on a high risk, low star rated road may be an appropriate method of managing road safety outcomes, at least until the improvements are made

Now, I understand about poles and such. And if those poles were on the sides of a tricky downhill twisty bit, I'd be concerned about them. But, poles are only a problem if you hit them. That is a straight (nearly) bit of road , excellent visibility (except the driveways, and that's just a matter of gauntlet). To be honest, anyone who can't drive/road along that bit of road without incident shouldn't be on the road at all.

If that road is considered dangerous (and likely to have a lower speed limit dumped on it) then almost ANY back road will be in the same boat. Because most are a lot more technical than that. Heaven knows what they'd make of SH22 .

(EDIT. Please ignore the smilies. They appear to be embedded in the quoted text and I can't be arsed hacking them out)

[bogan]

I think the idea is that the piece of road identifies itself as dangerous due to the number and type of crashes, then the roadway is examined to see if there are any engineering solutions that may make crashes harder to happen, and if they do happen, lessen the consequences of the crash.

good point, be interesting to see what the correlation between different engineering solutions and the accident rates (ie how well the solution works). Obviously they have the data available, why not use it to show how well making all the roads boring safe works?

[cheshirecat]

One of the issues they don't mention is that a major highway can descend into a gravel path then jump to a dual carriageway - there is no consistancy and quality round every corner can't be relied upon, unlike European or US roads. IE an A road in the UK is consistant regarding quality and speed. I'm over here on a visit at the moment and really really miss my bike, gorgeous summer long daylight hours, windy country lanes, motorways everyone does 130ish on !! Am impressed by the courtesy of the drivers and general traffic sense. I want my bike I want my Bike.

[BMWST?]

the first example has almost no "shoulder " on the rhs,if you run off the road at all you are into that fence,there is not much room on the left either,if someone isnt paying attanetion and some sort of avoidance has to be taken,someone will be in serious trouble.....The second is similar,thats my take anyway

[Thani-B]

.... Still not seeing why this is a bad road (admittedly, I could never see why SH 2 was considered such a deadly road , either) ....

It's not a deadly road, you are right with that. I've driven or ridden that road almost every day for the past 4 or so years, I have never crashed nor had a near crash, although I have passed several in my time. There is nothing wrong with it.
They had it right when they put the JAFA signs up.

[Staticam]

Where is that, exactly? It looks like one of the roads to Te Puke when coming from the Waikato region.

779-795 Fairdown Rd

Take the numbers from the bottom of the pic to this site:
http://www.linz.govt.nz/geodetic/con...spx?Advanced=0
Input coordinate system = New Zealand Map Grid
Output coordinate system = World Geodetic System 1984
and feed those results into google maps

[specter]

lol went to aussie recently, and my uncle showed me some b roads, and all through them are signs saying stuff like "WARNING: motorcyclists die here" which in motorcyclists terms meant "great fucking road ahead!"

[rustic101]

Surveyed in 2008, wonder if improvements have been made

[Berries]

And what we are likely to end up with is totally boring roads with horribly low speed limits, in an attempt to engineer compensation for driver incompetence

Welcome to the future. Although I would add driver/rider error, as well as incompetence.

[Sentox]

779-795 Fairdown Rd

Take the numbers from the bottom of the pic to this site:
http://www.linz.govt.nz/geodetic/con...spx?Advanced=0
Input coordinate system = New Zealand Map Grid
Output coordinate system = World Geodetic System 1984
and feed those results into google maps

Method is sound, but you might have your coordinates reversed.. It's actually 135-163 SH 2. Doubly sure based on streetview and the fact I've been on said road many times before.

[Howsie]

Another attempt to keep us in the bubble. I have been down that road many times and it is as safe as pie. It shows why it is classed as a 2 Star section of road on the website..........