Serious question about police resources and equipment

[Headbanger]

Judging by some of the shitbags I have known in the past, There "This will fuck em attitude" means they will keep handy whatever they need in order to "Fuck em" when the time comes.

Nothing is hard to get, If there is a demand for it, then someone will get it in.

Anyway, My other point is I don't trust cops with guns, They are just as stupid as the rest of us.

For the record Im no more impressed with recent events then anybody else, I just don't agree with arming everyone for a giant fuck off gun battle is the answer, The douch ebag who pulled the trigger was a in a power of shit the instant he went down that road, and the cop still would have been shot if he was armed,Just perhaps with something bigger and deadlier.

[BoristheBiter]

Judging by some of the shitbags I have known in the past, There "This will fuck em attitude" means they will keep handy whatever they need in order to "Fuck em" when the time comes.

Nothing is hard to get, If there is a demand for it, then someone will get it in.

Anyway, My other point is I don't trust cops with guns, They are just as stupid as the rest of us.

For the record Im no more impressed with recent events then anybody else, I just don't agree with arming everyone for a giant fuck off gun battle is the answer, The douch ebag who pulled the trigger was a in a power of shit the instant he went down that road, and the cop still would have been shot if he was armed,Just perhaps with something bigger and deadlier.

Whether you trust cops is a mute point, as it is now the cops can't trust anyone not to shot at them so they will defend themselves as they see fit.

If they were armed maybe this dick might have thought twice as he might have got shot too so just gave up and got the slap on the hand that comes with growing dope.

[HenryDorsetCase]

For the record Im no more impressed with recent events then anybody else, I just don't agree with arming everyone for a giant fuck off gun battle is the answer, The douch ebag who pulled the trigger was a in a power of shit the instant he went down that road, and the cop still would have been shot if he was armed,Just perhaps with something bigger and deadlier.

We disagree. Thats fine

[Headbanger]

Whether you trust cops is a mute point, as it is now the cops can't trust anyone not to shot at them so they will defend themselves as they see fit.

Yeah sweet, Cops with guns,shooting people as they see fit. I didn't think that was meant to be part of the job description but hell, Lets all just go to hell in a hail of gunfire.

That aside, How the public perceive the police is a very real and big issue, Not a "mute" issue.

If they were armed maybe this dick might have thought twice as he might have got shot too so just gave up and got the slap on the hand that comes with growing dope.

The fucker initiated a gun battle with the police, he was very aware that he was likely to get shot, and a gun battle with a bloody ending would have been plan A. The reason he didn't "suicide by cop" is because they weren't armed.

Like I said, He chose his road and it has little to do with whether the police on routine patrol were armed or not.

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah sweet, Cops with guns,shooting people as they see fit. I didn't think that was meant to be part of the job description but hell, Lets all just go to hell in a hail of gunfire.

That aside, How the public perceive the police is a very real and big issue, Not a "mute" issue.
the point is you said you don't trust cops, nothing to do with public opinion

The fucker initiated a gun battle with the police, he was very aware that he was likely to get shot, and a gun battle with a bloody ending would have been plan A. The reason he didn't "suicide by cop" is because they weren't armed.

Like I said, He chose his road and it has little to do with whether the police on routine patrol were armed or not.

In the word of HDC above "We disagree. Thats fine"

[Headbanger]

In the word of HDC above "We disagree. Thats fine"

ah, But he does it with a higher level of intelligence.

[BoristheBiter]

ah, But he does it with a higher level of intelligence.

What's intelligence got to do with it?

[Katman]

not everyone who drinks becomes an alcoholic,

Yeah, softcocks. What the fuck are they scared of?

[Banditbandit]

they shot that poor fucker in the FACE. anytime anyone points a gun at someone its with the intention of killing them.

Yes - he clearly meant to kill .. adn a .22 will kill - esdpecially in a head shot at short range. The cop is lucky to be alive.

LAPD and other jurisdictions have shotguns. Remington combat shotguns. 16 inch barrel, 7 shot 20 gauge pistol grip. So do most urban warfare army units, and for good reason: they pack major stoppage power into a small parcel, they havent got a huge range esp with the short barrel, and if they tag someone, they WILL go down.

Yup .. my point exactly ... LAPD are engaged in an arms race with the crims ... and they are not winning ... do we want to go down the same path?

530 police officers were killed on duty in the USA in 2008 ... an armed police force .. go here for the stats http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm#leoka that's three dead cops every two days ... compared to how many UK Police officers (who are uarmed ...) what does this tell you?

[Banditbandit]

And its not like the crims are going to trade in their .22's on AR15's with that cool little grenade launcher thing (cos they're hard to get), is it: crims arent licenced gun owners anyway, so restrictive gun laws dont apply to them anyway.

No, they're not . they are not licenced gun ownersd and they still have guns tho'

Don't you think the local merchant is going to trade tho' ? He can sell the .22 to some dopey wannabe who thinks he's tough .. after he's got it from some crackhead who's swapped the .22 and some cash for lethal weaponery.

There's already plenty of guns in the underground market ...

[Banditbandit]

So what then just let the crims do what the fuck they like?

Sheesh .. you'd have to be pretty dumb to take that from what I said ...

Crims will always have the upper hand as they only use the law when it suits then, like as a defence, but that is no reason to not let the cops be able to defend themselves.
To many people posts here about being able to defend themselves, their property or their family and friends

Shit that's an even worse idea .. at least the police have some training. An armed vigilanty population is even more frightening .."Oh, Mabel, ... someone on a bike is coming up the drive .. pass me my shotgun!"

so why can't the police have the right to do so, as the saying goes you don't take a knife to a gun fight.

The crims are all ready armed so if to defend themselves the police become armed then so be it, it is up to them not some bunch of wimping liberals, and who knows if you all think you might get shot by the under trained police, maybe it might make people more likley to comply when asked to do something.

Who're you calling a wimping liberal ? And why should we automaticaly comply with police requests? As a citizen acting in a legal fashion, all I have to do is tell them my name and address. The first one who pulls a gun on me had better be ready ....

As was pointed out earlier, the British cop show shows them going in boots and all, trashing doors, huge numbers. Do you see the cops on that programme carrying guns ? NO. Do you see the crims pulling guns? NO. There's other ways than meeting violence with violence ...

[PrincessBandit]

As a citizen acting in a legal fashion, all I have to do is tell them my name and address. The first one who pulls a gun on me had better be ready...

As a citizen acting in a legal fashion, why would you expect one to pull a gun on you?

[Headbanger]

As a citizen acting in a legal fashion, why would you expect one to pull a gun on you?

It probably never crossed the mind of that courier driver either.....

[scumdog]

I wonder why there are bugger-all posts from cops on this thread??

Maybe it's because they are overwhelmed by the absolute knowledge of so many of the posters, ones that know what needs to be done and how to do it??

Obviously recruiting staff are sourcing the wrong people!!

[Katman]

Maybe it's because they are overwhelmed by the absolute knowledge of so many of the posters, ones that know what needs to be done and how to do it??

That's why I've tried to limit my posts to what I know about.