Police to continue car chases

[puddy]

If someone wants to run and kills them self, then I fully support that.
If they flee and kill someone innocent, then that is a tragedy, but we can't stop the police from pursuing in the general interest of the public's safety. However if they survive then slap 'em with a murder charge.

Exactly! If you can't drive, get out of the car or get out of the gene pool. Your choice. Just don't take out anybody else.

[98tls]

Much of the time it is the weak applications of sentences.

Some offences carry good term lengths but they just get a smack on the hand instead.

Stick em in Jail and make them WORK for their taxpayer funded holiday behind bars... Jail needs to be a deterrent, not a free lunch and bed.

Way back they did indeed work for there holiday which in turn the prison benefitted from ie they grew veges etc but it seems all that is long gone,dunno why.

[Scouse]

It's the cops fault.... (apparently.... always....)

The states have some things right... flee over there and it's felony evasion, 5 years jail.

Here, it's only just gone up to 3 months disqualification and possibly a fine. Before Dec 1 it was usually "Convicted and Discharged...." (ie: big fat nothing.....).

That’s f ing ridiculass NZ judiciary is way too soft with their sentencing

[Banditbandit]

Way back they did indeed work for there holiday which in turn the prison benefitted from ie they grew veges etc but it seems all that is long gone,dunno why.

Because what do you do if they refuse to work ? Can't lock 'em up - they're already there ...

It's bad enough to get these dopeheads to work on the outside ... almost impossible on the inside ...

[Banditbandit]

Here, it's only just gone up to 3 months disqualification and possibly a fine. Before Dec 1 it was usually "Convicted and Discharged...." (ie: big fat nothing.....).

Naa ... 20 years ago I did a runner on a bike - eventually flagged it 'cause you can lose one car .. but you can't beat the radios ..

I got a six-month disqualification (had a good lawyer - was expecting one year) and a pretty hefty fine ... it must be at least that- and if it's gone up it's got to be more ... it depends on what they are charged with - I got charged with wreckless driving ... that's harsher than "failing to stop for a police officer ... "

The judges are being soft on the sons and daughters of the middle classes ... after all, one of their own was involved in a racer incident in 2004 - wasn't she in a car doing something shocking across South Canterbury ?

[SMOKEU]

The runners. However if the chasing unit/s are told to back down but don't then they too are culpable.

Make the rules plain and simple, for both sides.

Police shouldn't abandon any pursuits in the first place.

[onearmedbandit]

Police shouldn't abandon any pursuits in the first place.

Every pursuit is different. I don't think you can just have a blanket rule like that.

[SMOKEU]

Every pursuit is different. I don't think you can just have a blanket rule like that.

The government is encouraging criminals to commit even more crimes. Anyone who has a reasonable level of driving skill can get away from the police in a residential area if they have a moderately quick car like a standard 6 cylinder Falcodore or a turbo Legacy. If someone does an armed robbery on a bank, and they're prepared to drive away fast enough, then they'll get away with it.

The vehicles in chases are often stolen, or the plates may have been switched around. There is often a time delay of several hours from when a vehicle gets stolen to the time that it gets reported stolen, so simply saying "Abandon the pursuit and chase up the registered owner the next day" doesn't work. If your pride and joy got stolen, would you really want the cops to give up chasing the criminal?

[onearmedbandit]

So you're quite happy for the police to pursue your pride and joy at over 200km/h down Moorhouse Ave resulting in a multiple vehicle collision causing a number of deaths, serious injury and destruction of not only your 'pride and joy' but other peoples as well? Where is the logic in that?

[jahrasti]

Naa ... 20 years ago I did a runner on a bike - eventually flagged it 'cause you can lose one car .. but you can't beat the radios ..

I got a six-month disqualification (had a good lawyer - was expecting one year) and a pretty hefty fine ... it must be at least that- and if it's gone up it's got to be more ... it depends on what they are charged with - I got charged with wreckless driving ... that's harsher than "failing to stop for a police officer ... "

The judges are being soft on the sons and daughters of the middle classes ... after all, one of their own was involved in a racer incident in 2004 - wasn't she in a car doing something shocking across South Canterbury ?

Your charge was different and carried a mandatory term of catching the bus. Wreckless is a more serious charge. Failing to stop for red and blue flashing lights/ police officer etc was until not to long ago fine only.

Most of the time is was convict and discharge. Much like Section 118 (the make the owner tell the popo who was driving thing). That is normally a SMALL fine at most or C&D even though they are lying their bumbums off.

[SMOKEU]

So you're quite happy for the police to pursue your pride and joy at over 200km/h down Moorhouse Ave resulting in a multiple vehicle collision causing a number of deaths, serious injury and destruction of not only your 'pride and joy' but other peoples as well? Where is the logic in that?

In that scenario, it wasn't me who caused the crash, and it wasn't the cop who caused the crash. How do you know that the offender wasn't going to crash anyway?

[T.W.R]

Way back they did indeed work for there holiday which in turn the prison benefitted from ie they grew veges etc but it seems all that is long gone,dunno why.

It's still happening Rolleston & Paparoa prisons have very large scale organic gardens that supply a few retailers Paparoa has a thriving wee business selling firewood & organic farming (livestock) too.

Failing to stop for red and blue flashing lights/ police officer etc was until not to long ago fine only.

Not so, know people who have been involved in chases that ended with a trip to court...2yr loss of licence & $900 fines for the perpetrators. One ended up involving 3-4 black & whites, 2 muffties, & 2 police bikes to block the road to stop the offender (even though there were 6 of us involved they only targeted the one bike in the group).
In saying that have been directly involved in a chase that had 2 cop cars block the street to stop us and were sent on our way with just a VERY SOLID ear bashing & on your way by one of the officers

[spacemonkey]

I am in favour of the police dog having a compulsory chew......................

Always used to crack me up when ever I saw them, up in Whangarei the two dog handler cars had on the back of them "Landshark 1" and "Landshark 2".

[onearmedbandit]

In that scenario, it wasn't me who caused the crash, and it wasn't the cop who caused the crash. How do you know that the offender wasn't going to crash anyway?

One would assume that in that particular scenario the offender would have no need to travel at 200km/h in a 50km/h zone if he wasn't being pursued by police also at 200km/h.

[SMOKEU]

One would assume that in that particular scenario the offender would have no need to travel at 200km/h in a 50km/h zone if he wasn't being pursued by police also at 200km/h.

So you're saying that offenders should be allowed to run away and continue their crime spree? What if they just robbed a bank with a loaded shotgun?